To Protect and to Serve II

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Orangeslice13 said:
there are many good officers like you.
The problem is the protection of the others who are not.
I believe that a much higher standard is required.

And an end to the no knock warrant.
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The standards are high enough, as are the standards for a no-knock.

What we need is more who understand the requirements of those standards, and uphold them.

I'm on record that I believe a friend of mine was there when an innocent man was killed, and is responsible in some measure for his death. I'll leave it for a jury to decide, but in my mind...no way it was justified.

And that hurts my heart as well.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
The standards are high enough, as are the standards for a no-knock.

What we need is more who understand the requirements of those standards, and uphold them.

I'm on record that I believe a friend of mine was there when an innocent man was killed, and is responsible in some measure for his death. I'll leave it for a jury to decide, but in my mind...no way it was justified.

And that hurts my heart as well.
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We will agree to disagree on that.
When I, a 51 year old white man, fears the police but not the supposed thugs that wander around the “High crime” places I often work then the police have a real image problem.
it’s funny......yesterday a kid dressed in the blue colors ran by the site I’m working and said to me “five O”. I know he’s talking to me because no body else is around. The funny part is I went inside because the gang member didn’t bother me but the police did.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
We will agree to disagree on that.
When I, a 51 year old white man, fears the police but not the supposed thugs that wander around the “High crime” places I often work then the police have a real image problem.
it’s funny......yesterday a kid dressed in the blue colors ran by the site I’m working and said to me “five O”. I know he’s talking to me because no body else is around. The funny part is I went inside because the gang member didn’t bother me but the police did.
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You must have been over in that area to buy some crack😁
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’d rather we stop the violence. While I understand what you’re saying, taking out on an innocent member of his family won’t teach him anything. How about we hold him responsible instead. It’s unlikely but we really need to start holding the police to a much higher standard
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A male member of her family needs to find him and do what a man is supposed to do. That’s all I’ll say.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’d rather we stop the violence. While I understand what you’re saying, taking out on an innocent member of his family won’t teach him anything. How about we hold him responsible instead. It’s unlikely but we really need to start holding the police to a much higher standard
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I KNOW you are 100% right and appreciate your response. Thank you.

I’m just angry and frustrated with these scenes playing out over and over again. It doesn’t have to be this way. If you cannot take the stress that your job entails, GTFO and go do something else.

And until good cops start policing bad cops, this will continue to be a daily occurrence.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
???

What are you talking about?
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Forgive me if any of this information is incorrect, I’m just getting caught up on the incident after making the mistake of listening to that 911 call last night.

My first thought was, why is there no police activity in the background of the call? I figured they’d be yelling “Police, come out with your hands up, put your weapons down” or something, but there’s nothing. You can tell this man clearly has no idea who just shot up his home and killed his girlfriend, and that they had already left the scene at the time of the 911 call. My understanding of the timeline is that there was about 15 minutes between the shooting and when the police returned with a SWAT team and arrested Walker without further incident.

I’m still confused about several things here. If it’s a no-knock raid in the middle of the night, what is the purpose of arriving in plainclothes and unmarked cars? Why did the LMPD state they knocked if it’s a no-knock raid? None of the neighbors ever heard the police identify themselves. Why no body cams? If they think there is a dangerous fugitive, why were there only 3 officers conducting the initial raid? No tactical gear, no backup or EMS ready? How could they not know that their actual target had already been arrested? How come Taylor was shot 8 times but Walker, who was the one who returned fire, didn’t take a single bullet? They shoot up this apartment building and don’t even have someone stay at the scene of the crime?

And charging Walker with attempted murder was really just the cherry on top...
 
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BartW said:
Forgive me if any of this information is incorrect, I’m just getting caught up on the incident after making the mistake of listening to that 911 call last night.

My first thought was, why is there no police activity in the background of the call? I figured they’d be yelling “Police, come out with your hands up, put your weapons down” or something, but there’s nothing. You can tell this man clearly has no idea who just shot up his home and killed his girlfriend, and that they had already left the scene at the time of the 911 call. My understanding of the timeline is that there was about 15 minutes between the shooting and when the police returned with a SWAT team and arrested Walker without further incident.

I’m still confused about several things here. If it’s a no-knock raid in the middle of the night, what is the purpose of arriving in plainclothes and unmarked cars? Why did the LMPD state they knocked if it’s a no-knock raid? None of the neighbors ever heard the police identify themselves. Why no body cams? If they think there is a dangerous fugitive, why were there only 3 officers conducting the initial raid? No tactical gear, no backup or EMS ready? How could they not know that their actual target had already been arrested? How come Taylor was shot 8 times but Walker, who was the one who returned fire, didn’t take a single bullet? They shoot up this apartment building and don’t even have someone stay at the scene of the crime?

And charging Walker with attempted murder was really just the cherry on top...
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OK, that clarifies things.

One more thing to throw in the hopper. If the police knew that a package was being mailed to that address, could they not have tracked the package or at least gotten the mail carrier to let them know when the package was going to arrive? That would have probably also eliminated the need to do a 3:00 AM no-knock raid on a location with no suspect and no drugs. And lastly, we're talking about drugs. This war on drugs is a freedom siphoning endeavor that gives the police power to violate our rights and place us in danger the longer it goes on. Why in the hell do we need SWAT teams going after drug dealers?
 
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VolFaninFla said:
I KNOW you are 100% right and appreciate your response. Thank you.

I’m just angry and frustrated with these scenes playing out over and over again. It doesn’t have to be this way. If you cannot take the stress that your job entails, GTFO and go do something else.

And until good cops start policing bad cops, this will continue to be a daily occurrence.
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You and I are on the same page.
We need serious changes in policing in this country
 
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Here is the thing I don't understand about the George Floyd incident and it's pretty simple: at 8:22 pm an officer on the scene called dispatch to request an ambulance. However, Officer Derek Chauvin was still applying pressure to the back of Floyd's neck with his knee, and he did not remove his knee from Floyd's neck until 8:28 pm, a full 6 minutes (the times per the Darnella Frazier video) after an ambulance had been called. So, at least one officer on the scene realized that Floyd was unresponsive and in need of medical assistance, so why didn't anyone tell Chauvin to get off of him? Six minutes passed by and yet, there is Chauvin still resting his weight on Floyd's neck while Floyd's eyes are closed, with Floyd not moving a muscle.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Here is the thing I don't understand about the George Floyd incident and it's pretty simple: at 8:22 pm an officer on the scene called dispatch to request an ambulance. However, Officer Derek Chauvin was still applying pressure to the back of Floyd's neck with his knee, and he did not remove his knee from Floyd's neck until 8:28 pm, a full 6 minutes (the times per the Darnella Frazier video) after an ambulance had been called. So, at least one officer on the scene realized that Floyd was unresponsive and in need of medical assistance, so why didn't anyone tell Chauvin to get off of him? Six minutes passed by and yet, there is Chauvin still resting his weight on Floyd's neck while Floyd's eyes are closed, with Floyd not moving a muscle.
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This is why Chauvin is in the wrong. But my gut tells me they called an ambulance because they realized that Floyd just swallowed a bag of drugs in his mouth prior to them handcuffing him. Which is why the medical examiners report says what it does
 
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