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TennTradition said:
Thanks for the article.

Hospital admissions are down. I wonder what percentage of admissions for things like heart attacks come from strenuous activity - that perhaps people aren't getting?

Excess deaths were up - significantly up - in April. A lot more people died than normal. That's fact, per death certificates (and the number is still climbing as CDC processes death certificates). What's interesting is that, at least in NY per the plot below, that isn't just because of "COVID" deaths...."Non-COVID" deaths are also up vs. where they normally are and these COVID deaths are on top of that.

The rise in deaths actually corresponds well with the reported COVID cases. So either hospitals were reporting heart attack deaths as COVID deaths but carefully so in order to just count the extra heart attack deaths over what they would normally see as COVID deaths. Yet they weren't actually seeing their normal number of heart attack patients per this article, which means the coroner would have to be very clever and in counting some of the at-home heart attack deaths as COVID deaths but not too many such that the number of COVID deaths reported would far exceed the number of excess deaths.

Here is a plot for New York. It's a little old (I made it last week) - but as you can see, all these "other deaths" haven't disappeared. At the time I produced this they were actually up - either because they were really up or some CV deaths weren't being assigned to COVID.

So when I say these other deaths haven't disappeared - this plot is why I say that. These "other" deaths are still very much present. I'll try to clean this plot up today. Update it and clean the numbers up a bit. I'll post it and give my thoughts on any changes that look significant to me.View attachment 278932
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Thank you. I enjoy your posts.
 
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k-town_king said:
It was refrefeced in that manner by a few media types at the very beginning. True. It was also pointed out to be offensive and is no longer inuse. The only ones using it are people trying to either be racist or shift the handling of the response here from Trump to the place of origin.


Its not my fault facts make some of you uncomfortable.

I have made several points. Some of you are too ignorant or too prejudiced to learn.
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Didn't say anything about being uncomfortable, you come in out of the blue and just start screaming racism so I was just curious of your intentions. They're clear now, carry on
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Yes I did. What was Trump's plan to get PPE? What is Trump's economic plan? What is Trump's testing plan? These plans should be in place and in effect, irregardless of what we learn about the virus.
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"Irregardless"........Just goes to show no matter how educated you become, you just can't take all the country out. I'm not following why you think that there is not a plan in place. The government too control of the ppe.
“Like a Bully at the Lunchroom”: How the Federal Government Took Control of the PPE Pipeline
Federal government empties stockpile of personal protective equipment
Now , they have done a crapy job with distribution. If regular people would stop using the good mask it would help also.
The problem with testing seems to be our red tape. I honestly don't know what the President can do about it. If he could do away with making sure the test work before allowing them to be used, how many false +- before it would be worth it to rush them out.
His economic plan and the morons that passed it suck.
 
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Mexican Drug Cartel Leader Dies Of Coronavirus In Prison: Report

A notorious leader within the Los Zetas criminal cartel reportedly died from COVID-19 while in a Mexican prison, marking one of the most high-profile deaths since the disease entered the country.

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Moisés Escamilla May, 45, died while serving time in the Puente Grande maximum security prison in the Mexican state of Jalisco, AFP reported, citing an official at the public prosecutor’s office. Escamilla — known as “Gordo May” — developed respiratory issues on May 6 and died two days later.

The cartel leader was serving a 37-year sentence for organized crime, which included his involvement in the decapitation of 12 people in the Mexican state of Yucatán.

Mexican Drug Cartel Leader Dies Of Coronavirus In Prison: Report
 
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TennTradition said:
I have only seen numbers as high as 20-30% for New York / northeast. The other antibody tests have been more like 5-6%, at least for the ones I've seen. And that is consistent with the death progressions we've seen.

If you have data that contradicts that, I would like to see it. I don't want to walk around with the wrong idea.

Again - I AM NOT saying it wasn't here before Jan/Feb - but the excess death progressions don't indicate that we had sufficient community spread to match the conventional wisdom that these infections family members had last Nov were all CV (for that many people to have had it at that point, we would either have seen it in death data or it would had oddly mutated to become much more deadly - which while possible, the virus evolution studies don't suggest that's the case...and the numbers of transmissions vs. the "original" form of the virus from Wuhan/Europe don't suggest a timeline that goes all the way back to Nov/Dec for separate spread being in the US at that time (that is, the common virus parents of the current virus in the US are very consistent with the common virus parents seen in Wuhan in Dec for some cases or those in Europe in Feb for other cases, and then Wuhan in Dec). I honestly do not know enough about viral evolution to say how sound those "tree ring" studies are. I'm just going with what the scientists are saying on that. Which I usually don't like to do without fully understanding it myself....so I'll add the disclaimer/caveat.
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I have seen numbers from less than 1% in Iowa or Idaho, to the 30% in Boston. I just find it odd to have such huge disparities and I lean towards a pessimist in these cases.

Especially with how difficult this thing has been track.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Mexican Drug Cartel Leader Dies Of Coronavirus In Prison: Report

A notorious leader within the Los Zetas criminal cartel reportedly died from COVID-19 while in a Mexican prison, marking one of the most high-profile deaths since the disease entered the country.

Mexican-Violence-e1589294710803.jpg


Moisés Escamilla May, 45, died while serving time in the Puente Grande maximum security prison in the Mexican state of Jalisco, AFP reported, citing an official at the public prosecutor’s office. Escamilla — known as “Gordo May” — developed respiratory issues on May 6 and died two days later.

The cartel leader was serving a 37-year sentence for organized crime, which included his involvement in the decapitation of 12 people in the Mexican state of Yucatán.

Mexican Drug Cartel Leader Dies Of Coronavirus In Prison: Report
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Purple Tiger said:
Yes I did. What was Trump's plan to get PPE? What is Trump's economic plan? What is Trump's testing plan? These plans should be in place and in effect, irregardless of what we learn about the virus.
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1. How could Trump get PPE when China was hoarding it all while lying to the rest of the world?
2. Trumps testing plan? You mean Faucis? I'm pretty sure Trump isnt inventing and approving the test
3. Trump's economic plan is to open back up but who's fighting him on that again? Let it rip, right Chuck?
 
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TennTradition said:
This just says that if a patient has COVID their death will be reported as a COVID death.

That does not say that all other deaths suddenly disappeared. Because they didn't.
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No joke really? Damn I don’t believe anybody knew that. Are you confused by the video or what everyone is saying is wrong with how they are counting covid deaths?

Reporting the death as Covid even though the death was not caused by covid, inflates the mortality rate.

Guy down the street was ran over by a bus and died instantly. He also had Covid, therefore he is a Covid death. That is stupidity.
 
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k-town_king said:
It was refrefeced in that manner by a few media types at the very beginning. True. It was also pointed out to be offensive and is no longer inuse. The only ones using it are people trying to either be racist or shift the handling of the response here from Trump to the place of origin.


Its not my fault facts make some of you uncomfortable.

I have made several points. Some of you are too ignorant or too prejudiced to learn.
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You think everything in life is racist.....Calling COVID-19 a Chinese virus isn't racist...there isn't KKK boogymen behind every story...
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Maybe this coronavirus will lead to the end of public schools. One can hope.
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One can dream.

On a serious note, this experiment will probably create an increase in people switching to home schooling. Once you see you're able to fit it in your schedule then you're less apprehensive about jumping in.
 
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