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#53,926
Volsfaninva917 said:
Dont know and to be frank I don't care, I don't fault Trump for that
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Exactly. The answer is important in knowing WHY it was tried. Trump didn’t pull this out of his ass. Early attempts with it werent out of thin air. There is vast documentation and PROOF why it was tried to begin with.

Anyone know??
 
#53,927
#53,927
k-town_king said:
It obviously is to every non racist in the world. If it is not to you maybe you should question your morals and character.
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Welp that settles it. I have no morals or character because calling it Kung Flu, the china virus or Hong Kong Fluey is not racist.
 
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#53,933
vols40 said:
And that plan is doing just fine. It's Senator O'Biden's responsibility to show a different plan. And he doesn't have one.
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Did you read the article? Let me paste an excerpt and summarize for you:
80K+ dead, heading toward 150K by Aug.
He has no plan other than blame his predecessor, lie daily--shout "Fake News" when called out on it, and cross his fingers.

This isn’t because Trump is confident about November. White House reporters say the president is privately “glum and shell-shocked by his declining popularity.” His public behavior betrays the stress. He tweeted incessantly and manically on Sunday, then stormed out of a press conference yesterday after a jarring, testy exchange with reporters. He has begun a bizarre bombardment of his predecessor, Barack Obama, part of an unending search for villains. Trump is also deeply engaged in other efforts to boost his chances, including a campaign against voting by mail—a step many experts say is necessary to protect voters’ health, but which he has concluded (without much evidence) will help Democrats in November.
So much of Trump’s handling of the coronavirus was easily foretold. Experts had warned for years of a global pandemic. The president is obviously overmatched in his job. Trump badly botched the response to previous natural disasters, most prominently Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, and pundits had predicted that he would stumble worse when faced with a larger test. His chaotic style of governance, lack of faith in his advisers, and inability to maintain his attention were all manifest before the coronavirus, and are on vivid display now. He has never been interested in the actual work of policy. None of this should have been a surprise to anyone paying attention for the past three years.
But through it all, Trump displayed a clear will to win, and a keen instinct for what it took to do that. This makes his failure to come up with even a semblance of a plan—good, bad, or unclear—a true mystery. Yesterday, the U.S. death toll crossed 81,000, a mark Trump had previously said it would never touch. More recently, he’s offered 100,000 as a likely figure. Will the president have a plan for the pandemic by then? At the moment, he’s in no rush.
 
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#53,934
Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Did you read the article? Let me paste an excerpt and summarize for you:
80K+ dead, heading toward 150K by Aug.
He has no plan other than blame his predecessor, lie daily--shout "Fake News" when called out on it, and cross his fingers.

This isn’t because Trump is confident about November. White House reporters say the president is privately “glum and shell-shocked by his declining popularity.” His public behavior betrays the stress. He tweeted incessantly and manically on Sunday, then stormed out of a press conference yesterday after a jarring, testy exchange with reporters. He has begun a bizarre bombardment of his predecessor, Barack Obama, part of an unending search for villains. Trump is also deeply engaged in other efforts to boost his chances, including a campaign against voting by mail—a step many experts say is necessary to protect voters’ health, but which he has concluded (without much evidence) will help Democrats in November.
So much of Trump’s handling of the coronavirus was easily foretold. Experts had warned for years of a global pandemic. The president is obviously overmatched in his job. Trump badly botched the response to previous natural disasters, most prominently Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, and pundits had predicted that he would stumble worse when faced with a larger test. His chaotic style of governance, lack of faith in his advisers, and inability to maintain his attention were all manifest before the coronavirus, and are on vivid display now. He has never been interested in the actual work of policy. None of this should have been a surprise to anyone paying attention for the past three years.
But through it all, Trump displayed a clear will to win, and a keen instinct for what it took to do that. This makes his failure to come up with even a semblance of a plan—good, bad, or unclear—a true mystery. Yesterday, the U.S. death toll crossed 81,000, a mark Trump had previously said it would never touch. More recently, he’s offered 100,000 as a likely figure. Will the president have a plan for the pandemic by then? At the moment, he’s in no rush.
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Omg...he is against voting by mail? How insane!!!!
 
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TennTradition said:
It's also fair to point out that the blue check mark crowd was pushing back harder against the notion that it was so prevalent back in November and December that Uncle Joe, Cousin Teddy, Aunt Mary, Mom, and brother all had it when they had that respiratory infection last Thanksgiving.

The idea that it was floating around in late December or definitely January isn't contrary at all to the timeline we've seen play out. The idea that widespread community transmission was in place last year just doesn't make sense given death progression and antibody testing.
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I would think the widespread antibody results would say it has been here for a while.

And I forget the numbers we had previously discussed but the peak deaths was only a little outside of normal +15k vs 200k. So it seems very plausible that we didnt even notice the deaths because they weren't that far our of normal.

I think the other implication here is that Wuhan may not be the source. Or at least not as tied to the Lunar New Year celebrations as we thought.
 
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#53,936
Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Did you read the article? Let me paste an excerpt and summarize for you:
80K+ dead, heading toward 150K by Aug.
He has no plan other than blame his predecessor, lie daily--shout "Fake News" when called out on it, and cross his fingers.

This isn’t because Trump is confident about November. White House reporters say the president is privately “glum and shell-shocked by his declining popularity.” His public behavior betrays the stress. He tweeted incessantly and manically on Sunday, then stormed out of a press conference yesterday after a jarring, testy exchange with reporters. He has begun a bizarre bombardment of his predecessor, Barack Obama, part of an unending search for villains. Trump is also deeply engaged in other efforts to boost his chances, including a campaign against voting by mail—a step many experts say is necessary to protect voters’ health, but which he has concluded (without much evidence) will help Democrats in November.
So much of Trump’s handling of the coronavirus was easily foretold. Experts had warned for years of a global pandemic. The president is obviously overmatched in his job. Trump badly botched the response to previous natural disasters, most prominently Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, and pundits had predicted that he would stumble worse when faced with a larger test. His chaotic style of governance, lack of faith in his advisers, and inability to maintain his attention were all manifest before the coronavirus, and are on vivid display now. He has never been interested in the actual work of policy. None of this should have been a surprise to anyone paying attention for the past three years.
But through it all, Trump displayed a clear will to win, and a keen instinct for what it took to do that. This makes his failure to come up with even a semblance of a plan—good, bad, or unclear—a true mystery. Yesterday, the U.S. death toll crossed 81,000, a mark Trump had previously said it would never touch. More recently, he’s offered 100,000 as a likely figure. Will the president have a plan for the pandemic by then? At the moment, he’s in no rush.
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I don't believe for one second that the 80k argument is true and since you are blaming president Trump are you saying that it was his fault that the Governor of NY was sending Covid infected people back into nursing homes? Facts do not support your drivel. This spread because China lied about transmission and New York (ground zero) were as late as mid March suggesting that people go on with their normal lives. Ride the subway etc?
 
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Rifleman said:
There are very few people on earth who could create even a moderately close model of this stuff at this juncture, and every single one of them has more important work to do right now.

That's why I'd suggest ignoring any models at this point. Even the data we have after the fact isn't 100% correct, and that which comes from totalitarian countries isn't even close to reality.
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Ignore the models and open back up? Or ignore models and stay shut down.
 
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TennTradition said:
Excess deaths has actually tracked well (so far!, we should always analyze and track) with COVID-reported deaths. So, as I've posted here for a while, I'm not worried about how we are assigning COVID deaths at this point. The data don't suggest we are hyper-inflating numbers.

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You're looking at the wrong data. Look at flu, cancer and heart attack deaths for example. You will easily find your answer there.
 
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#53,942
vols40 said:
Asking "Chy-na" why they lied is not racist you tool
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Why ask the Asian American reporter to ask China? Why did he not ask someone else the same? She is not a Chinese citizen nor a member of their government. Why would an American need to ask China anything?

It follows a racist pattern as well.

No need to start calling names little buddy.

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She was the one soliciting something racist and she got smacked down for it.
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How is asking why is he making it a competition fishing for a racist remark?

How did he lay a smack down? She mad him cry like a baby and leave. Just like most Cons when pressed. Yall fold up like a beach chair in a hurricane when confronted.
 
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#53,943
TennTradition said:
Excess deaths has actually tracked well (so far!, we should always analyze and track) with COVID-reported deaths. So, as I've posted here for a while, I'm not worried about how we are assigning COVID deaths at this point. The data don't suggest we are hyper-inflating numbers.

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How are you getting excess deaths? Using the CDC data, if I sum the expected deaths and total deaths, we actually have less: 847k vs 806k.

Understanding there's a lag, cutting it off at 4/24, it's 687k vs 715k, which is 28k extra deaths. There's a lot of numbers bouncing around in the news, all higher than the CDC provisional counts.

Note, I'm not really saying anything substantial here, just that I'm waiting for these updated CDC provisional counts.
 
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#53,946
Orange_Vol1321 said:
You're looking at the wrong data. Look at flu, cancer and heart attack deaths for example. You will easily find your answer there.
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That all of those numbers have tanked suggests to either they are over doing the Covid deaths, or that this is really only hitting people on their way out anyway. And that we wont see much of a total change at the end of the year.
 
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#53,947
Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Did you read the article? Let me paste an excerpt and summarize for you:
80K+ dead, heading toward 150K by Aug.
He has no plan other than blame his predecessor, lie daily--shout "Fake News" when called out on it, and cross his fingers.

This isn’t because Trump is confident about November. White House reporters say the president is privately “glum and shell-shocked by his declining popularity.” His public behavior betrays the stress. He tweeted incessantly and manically on Sunday, then stormed out of a press conference yesterday after a jarring, testy exchange with reporters. He has begun a bizarre bombardment of his predecessor, Barack Obama, part of an unending search for villains. Trump is also deeply engaged in other efforts to boost his chances, including a campaign against voting by mail—a step many experts say is necessary to protect voters’ health, but which he has concluded (without much evidence) will help Democrats in November.
So much of Trump’s handling of the coronavirus was easily foretold. Experts had warned for years of a global pandemic. The president is obviously overmatched in his job. Trump badly botched the response to previous natural disasters, most prominently Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, and pundits had predicted that he would stumble worse when faced with a larger test. His chaotic style of governance, lack of faith in his advisers, and inability to maintain his attention were all manifest before the coronavirus, and are on vivid display now. He has never been interested in the actual work of policy. None of this should have been a surprise to anyone paying attention for the past three years.
But through it all, Trump displayed a clear will to win, and a keen instinct for what it took to do that. This makes his failure to come up with even a semblance of a plan—good, bad, or unclear—a true mystery. Yesterday, the U.S. death toll crossed 81,000, a mark Trump had previously said it would never touch. More recently, he’s offered 100,000 as a likely figure. Will the president have a plan for the pandemic by then? At the moment, he’s in no rush.
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Appear weak when you are strong. Art of the Deal and Sun Tsu.
 
#53,948
#53,948
k-town_king said:
Why ask the Asian American reporter to ask China? Why did he not ask someone else the same? She is not a Chinese citizen nor a member of their government. Why would an American need to ask China anything?

It follows a racist pattern as well.

No need to start calling names little buddy.


How is asking why is he making it a competition fishing for a racist remark?

How did he lay a smack down? She mad him cry like a baby and leave. Just like most Cons when pressed. Yall fold up like a beach chair in a hurricane when confronted.
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FU you racist. The reporter is not the first person that President Trump has told that if they want answers they can ask China. Are you suggesting that the virus did not come from China with the WHO and China lying about human to human transmission? F.. this intellectual lightweight reporter. She can fix Daddy and steak.... Medium rare
 
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#53,950
k-town_king said:
Why ask the Asian American reporter to ask China? Why did he not ask someone else the same? She is not a Chinese citizen nor a member of their government. Why would an American need to ask China anything?

It follows a racist pattern as well.

No need to start calling names little buddy.


How is asking why is he making it a competition fishing for a racist remark?

How did he lay a smack down? She mad him cry like a baby and leave. Just like most Cons when pressed. Yall fold up like a beach chair in a hurricane when confronted.
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She was the one who asked why he would ask "her" (an Asian) that question. F that pos
 
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