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[volfanjustin]

By their very nature epidemiologists have to consider the worst outcome. That’s their job. If he had been all rosy that would have been negligent. He can be hopeful but he needs to state the range of possible outcomes.

Fauci even stated this when the media was trying to play him and Trump off each other. It’s Trumps job to be optimistic and have a rosy outlook. It’s Fauci’s job to assume the worst. Both need to pay attention to all the data and information and act accordingly

The problem with that is him going to the worst case (which was unrealistic) is he assisted in collapsing the American economy and deaths from other things will skyrocket. Some put full faith in every thing he said and those same people are terrified to leave their house because of him

 

[1972 Grad]

I can't wait to see the names of the unmaskers in the Obama administration. Glorious week.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The problem with that is him going to the worst case (which was unrealistic) is he assisted in collapsing the American economy and deaths from other things will skyrocket. Some put full faith in every thing he said and those same people are terrified to leave their house because of him

He did his job. Trump owns the decision to cave to the statist screechers. DC is right on that one.

I don’t see how anybody could have “got it right” and frankly I think it’s largely up to the governors to choose on a state by state basis what’s best for their states. But I do wish Trump had pushed more heavily for keeping the country running as normal as possible.

 

[Orangeburst]

I can't wait to see the names of the unmaskers in the Obama administration. Glorious week.

Even Mexico will investigate. LMAO

 

[volinbham]

I can't wait to see the names of the unmaskers in the Obama administration. Glorious week.

Will be interesting to cross-reference that list with media appearances and signatories to various letters of disgust RE Barr.

 

[1972 Grad]

Barry Soetoro seemed a bit tense in his statement today.

 

[RockyTop85]

Keep selling it fool. You’ve rubbed nobody’s nose in anything here.

You verbally vomited about consistency and forcing Barr to step in so I asked if it was a question of consistency from a legal stance. I did not state “from a legal stance” however I figured it was clear. My bad. Turns out no it was just TDS “you wouldn’t be saying this if it was a Hillary supporter” with no legal basis so I rescinded. The posts are right there to see. Good thing you’re not a car salesman

Keep on lying, liar liar, pants on fire.

The two forms of consistency are inextricably intertwined in the discussion. Consistency of results and publication of the rules and processes that lead to that result are the fundamental elements of the rule of law. Did you never read Loche?

I was explaining that nobody buys Trumpist virtue signaling that “We only care about the rule of law” precisely because you are celebrating a process which is not published or consistent with the law, as published.

All of this has been clear from what I said initially until now; I’ve said it 12+ times now. The illiterate buffoon act was convincing because... well that’s self evident... but you already admitted your claims about what I was arguing were total fabrications, then you admitted you understood my argument but tried to say it was my fault it wasn’t clear, and when it became obvious that I was set on proving it was clear and could follow through, you made up this new ******** misrepresentation.

Shameful.

 

[volfanjustin]

He did his job. Trump owns the decision to cave to the statist screechers. DC is right on that one.

I don’t see how anybody could have “got it right” and frankly I think it’s largely up to the governors to choose on a state by state basis what’s best for their states. But I do wish Trump had pushed more heavily for keeping the country running as normal as possible.

We will have to agree to disagree on Fauci but I do agree with everything else you said here

 

[DC_Vol]

It was 2000 I think.

But according to the media there is no Deep State

Anyone who has spent any significant time around Washington would have a hard time not noticing.

If I described it and called it by a different name very few people would deny it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Keep on lying, liar liar, pants on fire.

The two forms of consistency are inextricably intertwined in the discussion. Consistency of results and publication of the rules and processes that lead to that result are the fundamental elements of the rule of law. Did you never read Loche?

I was explaining that nobody buys Trumpist virtue signaling that “We only care about the rule of law” precisely because you are celebrating a process which is not published or consistent with the law, as published.

All of this has been clear from what I said initially until now; I’ve said it 12+ times now. The illiterate buffoon act was convincing because... well that’s self evident... but you already admitted your claims about what I was arguing were total fabrications, then you admitted you understood my argument but tried to say it was my fault it wasn’t clear, and when it became obvious that I was set on proving it was clear and could follow through, you made up this new ******** misrepresentation.

Shameful.

The only thing I’m guilty of is giving you the benefit in all of your bitching you had some kind of a legal argument to make. Turns out that was wrong it’s just TDS screeching and more virtue signaling here. @hog88 was spot on with that call.

Keep selling it. But the more you regress to your stick up your ass elitist lecturing natural posture that hurts the sales image a bit. Just sayin

 

[vols40]

He definitely won’t if people like you throw your vote away

The Republican governor of Maryland is a never Trumper

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There is truth in this. Until something of significance actually happens, there is not going to be anything for the average moderate or liberal to grasp on to.

 

[DC_Vol]

The Republican governor of Maryland is a never Trumper

It’s a stretch to call Lockdown Larry a Republican, but he’s about as good as this state will do these days. He’s immeasurably better than Martin O’Money was.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Time to frog march a few...

Now that would be a start... but until then...

 

[vols40]

It’s a stretch to call Lockdown Larry a Republican, but he’s about as good as this state will do these days. He’s immeasurably better than Martin O’Money was.

Lock Down and O'Money ... Lol

 

[volinbham]

There is truth in this. Until smething of significance actually happens, there is not going to be anything for the average moderate or liberal to grasp on to.

It's interesting (telling?) that the reaction to the continual unraveling of Russiagate and evidence of bad action is "well, this won't necessarily help Trump win the election".

Inadvertently demonstrates how this happened - winning is all that matters.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Ok, since you cannot seem to place any responsibility on Trump, maybe this is a better way for me to explain my position.

Im considering alternatives at this point because I like leaders who don’t get victimized by their subordinates.

It's not a matter of placing blame, he relied on the top specialists. If he would've flipped a coin would you feel better?

 

[DC_Vol]

It's not a matter of placing blame, he relied on the top specialists. If he would've flipped a coin would you feel better?

This would have been making a decision with no thought of the consequences. So, no, I believe I would feel about the same as I do now.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[volinbham]

This would have been making a decision with no thought of the consequences. So, no, I believe I would feel about the same as I do now.

I totally understand that people who slightly prefer Trump to Biden are on the same page as those who slightly prefer Biden to Trump. We continue to be faced with crap choices.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

He chose not to advocate against blanket shutdowns and challenge the legitimacy of such actions.

I can respect that position. I think he capitulated also, but on the other hand, I don't know many politicians out there that would have put their balls out there to come out and do as you suggested.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have been the right thing to do or saying that what you are suggesting is unfair. But the cynic in me just puts little fait in any of our leaders being able to make the right decisions when it is crunch time. Hell, I might have even capitulated if I was in his shoes.

 

[StarRaider]

 

[DC_Vol]

I can respect that position. I think he capitulated also, but on the other hand, I don't know many politicians out there that would have put their balls out there to come out and do as you suggested.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have been the right thing to do or saying that what you are suggesting is unfair. But the cynic in me just puts little fait in any of our leaders being able to make the right decisions when it is crunch time. Hell, I might have even capitulated if I was in his shoes.

My biggest issue isn’t with the initial decision. But as the data started coming in it was very clear who was at risk and who was not. This should have changed everything. Even after that, we “flattened the curve”. Why is he not out there saying mission accomplished and let’s get back to work.

Mostly we continue on as if we have no new information and we are still at risk of overrunning the hospital systems. It’s all a farce at this point.