Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[SmokyRiverDog]

Sure, that we have news networks that run propaganda for both sides is very sad, but I the worst aspect of MSNBC and Fox to me is that they have no ability anymore to report anything except a kind of thinly-sourced gossip.

If neither existed tomorrow morning, the country would not only be friendlier but better informed.

Fox and MSNBC are fairly forthright about being "political commentary" and opinion. The trouble is that there is no actual news any more. When all you have is the opinion commentary, there is no baseline in which to make comparative thought.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

At this point, what are the panic pushers clinging to? The doomsday predictions they trusted have not come true. The curve has been flattened, which ostensibly was the purpose of the shutdowns.

 

[allvol123]

KYS is pretty wishy-washy PC most of the time. Do you think they decided that exclusively, or do you think it was influenced by City government? I wonder if that indicates a difference in how the city will be reacting versus the county, even though the Knox Co. Plan is supposed to be inclusive? I wonder if that indicates how the city plans to treat the Coliseum/Auditorium/Fairgrounds/etc moving forward?

I am not sure. I'd guess it was influenced by the city. Maybe there are some insurance issues I am unaware of but I got the feeling they were willing to cave quickly. I think the authoritarianism broke out in mid March in Knoxville and the first communication i received from KYS at that time was to push out all activities to May 11. I felt like that was an immediate overreaction and made me believe no season was happening at that point.

 

[hog88]

They cancelled my son's baseball league at KYS. The email had the audacity to ask if I'd like to donate my registration fee to KYS rather than receive a refund. I was like, hell no. I'm not donating money to people that operate in a manner that I am in complete disagreement with.

We sponsor a rec league team and are getting zero back, coach doesn't even know if it will carry forward to next season. The HS isn't returning money we spent on outfield banners either.

 

[allvol123]

We sponsor a rec league team and are getting zero back, coach doesn't even know if it will carry forward to next season. The HS isn't returning money we spent on outfield banners either.

Yea, we paid for middle school track and got nothing back. I've been fairly unimpressed with Knox County Schools handling of things. But i also dont care I guess.

 

[allvol123]

Can someone answer me this.

So field hospitals are being dismantled left and right. So have the brainiacs that are deep into this pandemic determined that even with things opening back up that we're never going to overwhelm hospital capacity?

 

[SmokyRiverDog]

I am not sure. I'd guess it was influenced by the city. Maybe there are some insurance issues I am unaware of but I got the feeling they were willing to cave quickly. I think the authoritarianism broke out in mid March in Knoxville and the first communication i received from KYS at that time was to push out all activities to May 11. I felt like that was an immediate overreaction and made me believe no season was happening at that point.

Thanks. I was curious about someones perspective on that. I saw they cancelled also, and thought it interesting at this date. I assumed similar to you. I think the city wanted the recreation facilities to remain closed for extended times, and I think KYS is a weak-minded PC organization willing to play that game without resistance. They are the Karens of the youth sports world.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Can someone answer me this.

So field hospitals are being dismantled left and right. So have the brainiacs that are deep into this pandemic determined that even with things opening back up that we're never going to overwhelm hospital capacity?

Great question

 

[MontyPython]

Check it out... one of the Q Anon guys escaped loosened his restraints and escaped his facility...

Blah blah blah, yeah you're insane

 

[hog88]

Yea, we paid for middle school track and got nothing back. I've been fairly unimpressed with Knox County Schools handling of things. But i also dont care I guess.

I'm not pressing for anything I'm like you just disappointed in how things have been handled. No communication.

 

[Rifleman]

Fox and MSNBC are fairly forthright about being "political commentary" and opinion. The trouble is that there is no actual news any more. When all you have is the opinion commentary, there is no baseline in which to make comparative thought.

They don't even have real reporters, just spin mannequins. Back in the day, post WWII, the newspapers had people stationed all around the world tasked with really understanding what was going on because it was a key part of our decision making structure to have that knowledge early in the Cold War. Not only could the intelligence agencies avail themselves of that knowledge in a supplementary fashion, but any interested American could really get a sense of the situation anywhere around the world.

That started to fall apart in the post Vietnam era when the intelligence apparatus got so well funded and so sophisticated that they no longer needed the supplement. In fact, they began to see the newspaper journalist as an enemy to their goals in certain regions. See Central America for instance, where the CIA fought to keep American reporters off the map.

So now, all we have is political spin which is mostly pure drivel delivered to people who merely want their worst suspicions confirmed. If you want to learn about the situation abroad, you need to turn to foreign sources, but even stalwarts like the Economist have started to pump out some poorly sourced drivel in recent years.

So we have more stream pouring at us but it only serves to obscure the facts, and it is no wonder people caught in this information vacuum turn to conspiracy theorists and talk radio goons.

 

[NCFisher]

I can’t believe this is where you went after the performative self-righteousness about how much you care about rights and liberty.

You care about “Our rights” you just care more about the president being free from accountability?

That seems... inconsistent. Does the ******** even pass through your brain on its way to the keys or is just reflexive?

Presumably none of them were related to a political campaign, unless you think Trump is the first of 29 presidential candidates to be surveilled and be a whiny bitch about it. As plausible as that is presumably they’re just run of the mill fisa apps.

And yet they had more errors/omissions/fabrications on average than the one that you think is more significant. Thank you for emphasizing my point for me.

What is it I'm not holding him accountable for, specifically?

Actually you miss the point entirely.

You insist the two investigation into Trump & Co. were given the same routine treatment as other, nondescript investigations NOT subject to the daily attention of every media outlet, politician, and citizen for three years, therefore subject to the same routine "sloppiness" as others. Just another couple "let's get a president" probes, subject to everyday sloppy errors.

You go so far to make the claim: "Trump and his associates got treated the way any suspected criminal would be treated anywhere in America."
And "Errors, like the ones in the Page application, occurred in every single case. IIRC, the Page app was even below average in terms of number of errors."
That's like saying stepping on broken glass three times is the same or worse, as stepping once on a claymore.
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The Trump investigations were NOT analogous, nor treated the same as the 29, and therefore NOT just casualties of routine sloppiness. At minimum, IG Horowitz plainly leaves that question open, if not outright implying other motivation:

On the FISA side, we found, as you noted, a lack of documented testimony evidence about intentionality, but we also noted the lack of satisfactory explanations and in fact leave open the fact that, for the reasons you indicated, it’s unclear what the motivations were. On the one hand, gross incompetence, negligence? On the other hand, intentionality? And where in between? We weren’t in a position, with the evidence we had, to make that conclusion, but I’m not ruling it out. ​

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That so many basic and fundamental errors were made by three separate, hand-picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within t he FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command’s management and supervision of the FISA process.​

Maybe Horowitz doesn't run **** through his brain before issuing reports and testifying to Congress, hmmm....
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Durham's investigations have prompted Barr's least ambiguous statement to date, echoes of IG Horowitz:

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"My own view is that the evidence shows that we're not dealing with just the mistakes or sloppiness," Barr told host Laura Ingraham. "There was something far more troubling here. We're going to get to the bottom of it. And if people broke the law and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted."​

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Trump "has every right to be frustrated" by the investigation, Barr added.​

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"What happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in American history -- without any basis," Barr said. "They started this investigation of his campaign. And even more concerning, actually, is what happened after the campaign. A whole pattern of events while he was president ... to sabotage the presidency ... or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency."​

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I surely have emphasized the illogic of your shifting, myriad points.
I'd cut back the amount of **** you're running through your head, lest you accumulate **** for brains.

 

[Sandman 423]

Fox and MSNBC are fairly forthright about being "political commentary" and opinion. The trouble is that there is no actual news any more. When all you have is the opinion commentary, there is no baseline in which to make comparative thought.

 

[TennTradition]

Can someone answer me this.

So field hospitals are being dismantled left and right. So have the brainiacs that are deep into this pandemic determined that even with things opening back up that we're never going to overwhelm hospital capacity?

That's a good question.

I think that in smaller, less dense cities, that what we know now about hospitalization rates suggests we can probably handle it.

In larger, more dense cities, we know the wave can come on fast. So, that's interesting to me. However, we have been slow-burning infections for a while now in those cities. New York might be up to 30% have been infected now - not sure. If herd immunity is established at 60-70% infected, then we might be getting near the back-end of the curve in these cities. And, if so, that means it will burn slower as you approach herd immunity, not faster (you don't accelerate into it). So that is a natural braking system, and would essentially be its own form of "spreading the curve".

 

[allvol123]

That's a good question.

I think that in smaller, less dense cities, that what we know now about hospitalization rates suggests we can probably handle it.

In larger, more dense cities, we know the wave can come on fast. So, that's interesting to me. However, we have been slow-burning infections for a while now in those cities. New York might be up to 30% have been infected now - not sure. If herd immunity is established at 60-70% infected, then we might be getting near the back-end of the curve in these cities. And, if so, that means it will burn slower as you approach herd immunity, not faster (you don't accelerate into it). So that is a natural braking system, and would essentially be its own form of "spreading the curve".

Thanks. I assumed these had to be decisions based on solid data analysis. I guess I feel better knowing they are coming down because it is at least a signal that we arent going to encounter some level of chaotic overstressed healthcare scenario.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[TennTradition]

Thanks. I assumed these had to be decisions based on solid data analysis. I guess I feel better knowing they are coming down because it is at least a signal that we arent going to encounter some level of chaotic overstressed healthcare scenario.

My biggest concern is cities of reasonable density that didn't get those early racing infections and are therefore probably not anywhere near 30% infection rates like we might have in NY. They could see a pretty rapid acceleration (and thus wave through the hospitals) if they just fully open up. Less dense areas and those that have a lower susceptible percentage of population due to the virus running a lot of its course already are your lower risks and where I would think we would be less likely to need surge hospital capacity.

 

[azVolFan]

I have sympathy until they choose to be stupid because of some kind of weak, childish impulse/tantrum. We’ve fallen a long way in mentality, fortitude, and sense of community since the greatest generation.

Different decisions are made once new information is learned. Decisions, in fact, should not be made without new information. We have learned more about this virus so we can make different decisions based on that information. It's really simple. The leftist, globalist, fear-mongering tyrants don't seem to be able to learn.

Why are we using information that we learned two months ago to make decisions today?

 

[BowlBrother85]

They don't even have real reporters, just spin mannequins. Back in the day, post WWII, the newspapers had people stationed all around the world tasked with really understanding what was going on because it was a key part of our decision making structure to have that knowledge early in the Cold War. Not only could the intelligence agencies avail themselves of that knowledge in a supplementary fashion, but any interested American could really get a sense of the situation anywhere around the world.

That started to fall apart in the post Vietnam era when the intelligence apparatus got so well funded and so sophisticated that they no longer needed the supplement. In fact, they began to see the newspaper journalist as an enemy to their goals in certain regions. See Central America for instance, where the CIA fought to keep American reporters off the map.

So now, all we have is political spin which is mostly pure drivel delivered to people who merely want their worst suspicions confirmed. If you want to learn about the situation abroad, you need to turn to foreign sources, but even stalwarts like the Economist have started to pump out some poorly sourced drivel in recent years.

So we have more stream pouring at us but it only serves to obscure the facts, and it is no wonder people caught in this information vacuum turn to conspiracy theorists and talk radio goons.

There are exceptions to everything, of course. Richard Engel, the foreign correspondent for MSNBC, is a very good reporter who has had a good career covering the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the fight against ISIS and the carnage in Syria.

 

[Rickyvol77]

They don't even have real reporters, just spin mannequins. Back in the day, post WWII, the newspapers had people stationed all around the world tasked with really understanding what was going on because it was a key part of our decision making structure to have that knowledge early in the Cold War. Not only could the intelligence agencies avail themselves of that knowledge in a supplementary fashion, but any interested American could really get a sense of the situation anywhere around the world.

That started to fall apart in the post Vietnam era when the intelligence apparatus got so well funded and so sophisticated that they no longer needed the supplement. In fact, they began to see the newspaper journalist as an enemy to their goals in certain regions. See Central America for instance, where the CIA fought to keep American reporters off the map.

So now, all we have is political spin which is mostly pure drivel delivered to people who merely want their worst suspicions confirmed. If you want to learn about the situation abroad, you need to turn to foreign sources, but even stalwarts like the Economist have started to pump out some poorly sourced drivel in recent years.

So we have more stream pouring at us but it only serves to obscure the facts, and it is no wonder people caught in this information vacuum turn to conspiracy theorists and talk radio goons.

I agree with some of this but you have to admit that post Vietnam and Watergate, journalism shift left and decided that political activism and "taking down the establishment" were more important than facts and actual reporting too...Journalists post-Watergate all wanted to be Woodward and Bernstein on every damn possible story

 

[allvol123]

My biggest concern is cities of reasonable density that didn't get those early racing infections and are therefore probably not anywhere near 30% infection rates like we might have in NY. They could see a pretty rapid acceleration (and thus wave through the hospitals) if they just fully open up. Less dense areas and those that have a lower susceptible percentage of population due to the virus running a lot of its course already are your lower risks and where I would think we would be less likely to need surge hospital capacity.

Would you venture a guess what a place like TN would look like by mid August in terms of percentage of population infected?

 

[37L1]

Different decisions are made once new information is learned. Decisions, in fact, should not be made without new information. We have learned more about this virus so we can make different decisions based on that information. It's really simple. The leftist, globalist, fear-mongering tyrants don't seem to be able to learn.

Why are we using information that we learned two months ago to make decisions today?

I'm just thankful we are using information from 2 months ago to make decisions instead of 244 years ago.










Yes, it's sarcasm.

 

[NCFisher]

How sweet, Biden would have made that creepy.

Comment of the Day award.

 

[NCFisher]

I call BS on this poll. You should not have answered any part of the poll if you didn't typically participate in those activities. A lot more people that typically fly will still fly or stay in a hotel (with precautions) will still do those things because they do it for work - 2/3 of the people on airplanes are there as part of their job. Same for Sporting events in person.

Just because I don't typically have sex with Jennifer Garner doesn't make my '100%: Have Sex with Jennifer Garner' any less true, man.

 

[NCFisher]

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Great! Now I can't get a 3-way with Becky and Karen out of my mind.
"Spatula? - baddd girl, Karen!"