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InVOLuntary said:
Problem with legalization of such addictive drugs is that it becomes almost impossible for someone addicted to heroin, meth, prescription opiates etc... to be a productive citizen, to hold down a job, to support themselves. They can't even make enough money to purchase their drug of choice. Being so addictive they become so desperate, they turn to crime against others to support their habit. The steal whatever they can turn into cash quickly to get their next fix.

I've seen it first hand. I've had one guy that steals from me, both my home and my business. He targeted my home first and then my business. He had warrants for his arrest from stealing from my home and was finally caught in the truck he stole from my business.

While awaiting trial he was let out for cooperating with police and within two weeks had additional warrants for theft. He was finally captured again and spent almost a year in jail awaiting trial when the judge let him out again for going through a drug treatment program. Within two weeks he had new warrants for theft. He's elusive so it took a couple of months to capture him again. During this time our home was burglarized again. We could never prove it was him but I'm fairly convinced it was him again.

He finally went to prison and spent 7 years in prison when he was released on parole summer before last. I would check the database to see his status and got extremely nervous every time he came up for parole so after being denied a couple of times he was finely released.

Everything was going well, no problems until January a year ago when I started noticing scrap aluminum and other valuables missing from outside my business. I was also getting calls from other business in the area saying they were getting robbed. One particular business, an auto salvage yard, was getting hit particularly hard. They were stealing car batteries by the 100's.

I went through my security footage and sure enough I caught the same guy on camera several times carrying as much as he could stealing primarily scrap aluminum. He backed a truck (stolen by the way) with a trailer and loaded it down with stuff.

He was with different people but he was with his girlfriend a time of two. He finally was caught after a high-speed chase that started in Anderson county and ended up on Broadway in fountain city, endangering many lives along the way.

After his arrest, he asked the detective if he would call me and let him talk to me. I agreed and he apologized, claimed he didn't know the business was mine. He had a motive though as he kindly asked me to drop the charges. I asked him why he chose to live this life and it was going to end badly, no way around it. He said it was the drugs, said he stayed clean for about six months but the pull was more than he could overcome. He's back in prison now. Drugs don't just affect the person taking them. Their circle of influence is larger than one can even imagine.
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Sounds eerily familiar to a good friend of mine. His son got addicted to meth and then got arrested for theft and after about a month was released. Lived in a small house my friend owned in the back of lot behind his main house. My friend started getting suspicious of nightly visitors to that house and, sure enough, he started having tools and other things missing. My friend owns a business that employs about 20 people. He told his son that if he was going to remain living in that house he had to keep it clean etc. and had to go to work at his business. He would work a day or two but would either claim he was sick and had to leave or not get up to go in at all. My good friend and his wife were doing all they could to support and help their son but he continued this pattern. They took a weekend trip about a year ago and returned to discover $10,000 missing and one of his company trucks. The son was nowhere to be seen for a few days til a policeman got in touch with them and told them he had been incarcerated in a neighboring county and had 3 or 4 outstanding warrants for theft and possession with intent to resale.
The police, however had not found the stolen truck. Through a tip from an ex girlfriend my friend found the truck in a very shady area of Nashville. After the son spent a couple of months in that jail, he was released under the assumption he was going to enter a rehab facility. He refused and told his mother he had no problem and was not going and eventually struck her, then attempted to drag her as he drove away. The parents filed an assault charge and he was located and picked up again about two weeks later. This occured approx. 7 months ago. I heard yesterday that he was to be released again to enter a drug rehab program tomorrow.
My point in all this is this: Education is important and treatment and rehab is fine too. But the addicts themselves are the key and have to WANT to get straight and live a productive life.
 
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GiggerVol said:
Sounds eerily familiar to a good friend of mine. His son got addicted to meth and then got arrested for theft and after about a month was released. Lived in a small house my friend owned in the back of lot behind his main house. My friend started getting suspicious of nightly visitors to that house and, sure enough, he started having tools and other things missing. My friend owns a business that employs about 20 people. He told his son that if he was going to remain living in that house he had to keep it clean etc. and had to go to work at his business. He would work a day or two but would either claim he was sick and had to leave or not get up to go in at all. My good friend and his wife were doing all they could to support and help their son but he continued this pattern. They took a weekend trip about a year ago and returned to discover $10,000 missing and one of his company trucks. The son was nowhere to be seen for a few days til a policeman got in touch with them and told them he had been incarcerated in a neighboring county and had 3 or 4 outstanding warrants for theft and possession with intent to resale.
The police, however had not found the stolen truck. Through a tip from an ex girlfriend my friend found the truck in a very shady area of Nashville. After the son spent a couple of months in that jail, he was released under the assumption he was going to enter a rehab facility. He refused and told his mother he had no problem and was not going and eventually struck her, then attempted to drag her as he drove away. The parents filed an assault charge and he was located and picked up again about two weeks later. This occured approx. 7 months ago. I heard yesterday that he was to be released again to enter a drug rehab program tomorrow.
My point in all this is this: Education is important and treatment and rehab is fine too. But the addicts themselves are the key and have to WANT to get straight and live a productive life.
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My point in posting that was to show that drug abuse has a much wider path of destruction than what some realize. Someone abusing drugs isn't just hurting themselves.
 
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bignewt said:
Regulate. Education. Treatment. This dude had access to none of those.
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I’d say he probably had access to all of those at some point. 1. Drugs are regulated currently. 2. Education happens in schools across the country. Drugs = bad. Everyone knows this yet it doesn’t resonate with people until you know/see someone affected. 3. He went to treatment. I have multiple extended family members that are from supportive, well-off families who went to rehab multiple times before ever seeing any positive results. A few that still haven’t escaped the addiction.

It’s not as easy as your making it out to be.
 
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bignewt said:
Ok. So tell me how the war on drugs has helped this case.
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In the Northeast, HIV/AIDS was spread by heroin users as much if not more than any other source. The states up there were passing out free sterile needles and syringes to stem the tide of newly infected. Did almost nothing at all as the heroin users couldn’t be troubled with actually taking the time to get the free sterile needles and syringes. The locations to get the sterile supplies were freaking everywhere in Bridgeport Connecticut. Excuse me if I don’t buy in the legalize everything crowd.

There are endless stories for and against. I have seen against stories more than I can begin to count.
 
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ndubvols said:
I’d say he probably had access to all of those at some point. 1. Drugs are regulated currently. 2. Education happens in schools across the country. Drugs = bad. Everyone knows this yet it doesn’t resonate with people until you know/see someone affected. 3. He went to treatment. I have multiple extended family members that are from supportive, well-off families who went to rehab multiple times before ever seeing any positive results. A few that still haven’t escaped the addiction.

It’s not as easy as your making it out to be.
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Exactly. My friend's son from my story has two teenage children. Neither one has any respect or love left for their father. But both are currently doing well and have tons of support from those around them. That pos father has to somehow EARN their trust and love back. But again, he has to WANT to.
 
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ndubvols said:
I’d say he probably had access to all of those at some point. 1. Drugs are regulated currently. 2. Education happens in schools across the country. Drugs = bad. Everyone knows this yet it doesn’t resonate with people until you know/see someone affected. 3. He went to treatment. I have multiple extended family members that are from supportive, well-off families who went to rehab multiple times before ever seeing any positive results. A few that still haven’t escaped the addiction.

It’s not as easy as your making it out to be.
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1. Illegal drugs are not regulated, unless you count prices set by cartels.
2. Education is piss poor right now. I think we all can attest to that. I bet billions of redirected funds would help that.
3. See #2

Or we could just keep doing what we are doing because it's working gangbusters. Prohibition did not work. The drug war does not work. Time to mix it up but we won't we will just keep on stumbling down the same road.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
In the Northeast, HIV/AIDS was spread by heroin users as much if not more than any other source. The states up there were passing out free sterile needles and syringes to stem the tide of newly infected. Did almost nothing at all as the heroin users couldn’t be troubled with actually taking the time to get the free sterile needles and syringes. The locations to get the sterile supplies were freaking everywhere in Bridgeport Connecticut. Excuse me if I don’t buy in the legalize everything crowd.

There are endless stories for and against. I have seen against stories more than I can begin to count.
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If you are sharing dirty needles and getting HIV is it being illegal stopping you from doing that?
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
Haha reg season champs baby. It was always fun seeing Bobby Cox get kicked out of games though.
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I like the Braves, except for Glavine, LOL. I just know there's a lot of Braves' fans here and I like to mess with you all. At least the Braves have something fairly recent to cheer about, unlike Cincinnati Reds' fans, LOL.
 
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bignewt said:
1. Illegal drugs are not regulated, unless you count prices set by cartels.
2. Education is piss poor right now. I think we all can attest to that. I bet billions of redirected funds would help that.
3. See #2

Or we could just keep doing what we are doing because it's working gangbusters. Prohibition did not work. The drug war does not work. Time to mix it up but we won't we will just keep on stumbling down the same road.
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Throwing tens of billions to poverty stricken inner city schools and neighborhoods etc has worked so well too, would you say? Just like the drug problem, spending and throwing untold amts of money at it for education and rehab is not in itself the answer. In both cases what is needed is a major adjustment in attitudes and the will of those living in those areas or addicted to drugs to try their darndest to improve their lives instead of accepting their plight as "it is what it is". But there's far too many politicians etc who actually want those people to stay in their predicaments to keep their control over their lives.
 
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drvenner said:
LOL, the Cubs have won two more World Series than the Atlanta Braves have, even though there were, ahem, a few years in between. You could say that the Braves are the Georgia Bulldogs of MLB.
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Baseball works as a franchise. The BRAVES have won 3 and the cubs zero from 1910-2016
 
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