Coronavirus (No politics)

[ButchPlz]

It is mind boggling that some dont get this and what comes with it.

It's not mind boggling- those most clamoring to keep things closed almost always have near-zero investment in anything. No business, no well-paying job, no mortgages, no stocks, nothing. From my experience, they're either already retired and have theirs (and forget everyone else, I need to get back to my 6AM seat at McDonald's) or have a minimum wage job and tiny rent and barely work anyway.

 

[allvol123]

It's not mind boggling- those most clamoring to keep things closed almost always have near-zero investment in anything. No business, no well-paying job, no mortgages, no stocks, nothing. From my experience, they're either already retired and have theirs (and forget everyone else, I need to get back to my 6AM seat at McDonald's) or have a minimum wage job and tiny rent and barely work anyway.

I'll add the ones that are getting paid to sit at home as well. State and federal employees. I'm not even necessarily being derogatory towards all those people. But you become a little ignorant to the situation cooped up at home and credits still keep getting dropped in your bank account weekly.

 

[TennTradition]

I think the March-April shut down was necessary but considering the vast majority of the country seems to have staved off the danger of overwhelming their local healthcare system, even I think its time to start getting some places back to work in those areas.

There are many places in the country that are ready. Agree. One problem is that everyone thinks they live in one of those places! (Just sort of joking)

 

[TennTradition]

I'll add the ones that are getting paid to sit at home as well. State and federal employees. I'm not even necessarily being derogatory towards all those people. But you become a little ignorant to the situation cooped up at home and credits still keep getting dropped in your bank account weekly.

How many do you think are just sitting at home?

My uncle is a state employee. He’s working from home but has had a full slate of work to do.

I do t work for the government but I’ve actually been busier than normal during this whole working from home. That’s bad considering you’re always at the office now but thankful to have the employment.

 

[ndubvols]

We shouldn’t open the country back up till July 1st we are totally rushing this and we will pay dearly for it I’m afraid.

This shouldn’t be a national decision. This should be a state by state and city by city decision. New York isn’t the same situation as the rest of the country. Chicago isn’t the same as the rest of Illinois.

 

[allvol123]

How many do you think are just sitting at home?

My uncle is a state employee. He’s working from home but has had a full slate of work to do.

I do t work for the government but I’ve actually been busier than normal during this whole working from home. That’s bad considering you’re always at the office now but thankful to have the employment.

I'd say a very large portion of public school teachers.

 

[TennTradition]

I'd say a very large portion of public school teachers.

Yeah I know they have work to do - but it has to be a lot less than normal, right? Maybe teachers here can inform us. But, curriculum seems to be generated at a grade level in our school system so that’s distributed across 8 teachers or so. One 20 minute 1-1 with the teacher during the week and a 45 min class session once a week on zoom. And then grading assignments that are turned iN. (I just have a 1st grader in the school system so maybe other grades are different).

My aunt is a professor - she’s still prepping all her lectures and giving exams.

 

[allvol123]

Yeah I know they have work to do - but it has to be a lot less than normal, right? Maybe teachers here can inform us. But, curriculum seems to be generated at a grade level in our school system so that’s distributed across 8 teachers or so. One 20 minute 1-1 with the teacher during the week and a 45 min class session once a week on zoom. And then grading assignments that are turned iN. (I just have a 1st grader in the school system so maybe other grades are different).

My aunt is a professor - she’s still prepping all her lectures and giving exams.

I think Knox County has talked a big game but done very little. I actually have always been impressed by our elementary and middle school principals but not so by the majority of teachers.

From an education standpoint, I'm not even bothered by it on a personal level. We do Kahn academy for math. I give daily reading assignments and we're doing Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast for history. Currently on WW1.

More bothered by it from the standpoint that I see so many teachers ra ra on the shutdown. People getting paid while being able to sit at home arent feeling the kind of pain that people being told to sit home and watch their employers shrivel up and die are feeling.

They arent worried the school and their job isnt going to be back in the fall.

 

[volfanhill]

Sweeping US Navy testing reveals most aircraft carrier sailors infected with coronavirus had no symptoms

 

[TennTradition]

I think Knox County has talked a big game but done very little. I actually have always been impressed by our elementary and middle school principals but not so by the majority of teachers.

From an education standpoint, I'm not even bothered by it on a personal level. We do Kahn academy for math. I give daily reading assignments and we're doing Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast for history. Currently on WW1.

More bothered by it from the standpoint that I see so many teachers ra ra on the shutdown. People getting paid while being able to sit at home arent feeling the kind of pain that people being told to sit home and watch their employers shrivel up and die are feeling.

They arent worried the school and their job isnt going to be back in the fall.

I think your point that it’s easy to be disconnected from the pain and fear regarding the economy if you have a job that is stable (and educator probably feels pretty stable) is a good one. Unless you are in touch with a network or out seeing it, the stark reality of it probably seems farther away.

 

[ButchPlz]

I think your point that it’s easy to be disconnected from the pain and fear regarding the economy if you have a job that is stable (and educator probably feels pretty stable) is a good one. Unless you are in touch with a network or out seeing it, the stark reality of it probably seems farther away.

I have my opinion- that this is way blown out of proportion- because I am experiencing both sides. I have a job in an increasingly in demand field that is blowing up right now- so I'm fine.

But my wife's business is merely surviving. And most of my friends that own businesses and don't have the safety net we do are really, really hurting.

The governor of Virginia has no second term to go after, no danger of being unemployed, so why shouldn't he virtue signal and shut it all down until June? Heck, why not even go even further? He loses nothing and gets to then claim the economy is bad because Republicans or whatever he wants to blame it on.

 

[JacketVol]

So, Cleveland (assuming all of Bradley county in the population of the ‘town’).

Threw me off because I was thinking of total cases at over 30. But yeah, active cases down to 4. Seems quite under control now and you would hope it wouldn’t be long at all before Phase 1 would be started there. It must meet the criteria of 14 days dropping active cases or close to it, no?

Not sure but with so few, should just happen. If you were at 1, it would be hard to decline.

 

[TennTradition]

Not sure but with so few, should just happen. If you were at 1, it would be hard to decline.

Yeah - I won't think anyone is getting technical about 14 days at that point.

In Vandy's study of Tennessee, I recall the SE TN / Hamilton block having an R that straddled 1, while the Knox and surrounding counties were actually well under 1. With numbers like that, the valley should be really pushing down active cases and shaping up for a return to work before long.

 

[Coug]

My fella from a couple days ago just got moved up to ICU after being down here in the ER for 48+ hrs. Stable, not markedly better, swab results still pending.

He needs some Remdesevir.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

What several of the prior posts fail to acknowledge is that a lot of people who accept employment with government, schools, utilities, etc. make a conscious trade off at some point to accept a lower paying job with little opportunity for advancement in exchange for job security, good benefits, and (in some cases) steady work hours. If you'd looked at most of those people a few months ago, you're opinions would likely be very different, wondering what's wrong with them to more or less sit on the sidelines during a period of supercharged economic growth.

 

[OL SMOKEY]

I'd say a very large portion of public school teachers.

That’s a pretty broad assumption there. My daughter is an elementary school teacher and would much rather be in the classroom with her kids than “cooped” up at home collecting as you say. She is interacting with her students on a daily basis but realizes the time away from school that they are missing out on. She is also fortunate that she is getting paid while not at school but also feels terrible for the people who are not able to go to work and get paid!!!!

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

That’s a pretty broad assumption there. My daughter is an elementary school teacher and would much rather be in the classroom with her kids than “cooped” up at home collecting as you say. She is interacting with her students on a daily basis but realizes the time away from school that they are missing out on. She is also fortunate that she is getting paid while not at school but also feels terrible for the people who are not able to go to work and get paid!!!!

I also think most teachers work under a contract.

 

[Go aeiou]

How many do you think are just sitting at home?

My uncle is a state employee. He’s working from home but has had a full slate of work to do.

I do t work for the government but I’ve actually been busier than normal during this whole working from home. That’s bad considering you’re always at the office now but thankful to have the employment.

Most are probably getting more work done at home. Working at home is a trend that has been growing for years.
My next door neighbor sells pharmaceuticals. He changed to working from home, and calling on clients by phone/facetime. He says it has been so successful that they won't go back to on site visits in person unless needed.

 

[newyorkvol]

My “issue,” if you want to call it that, with government employees and teachers to a degree is that there is no motivation to figure out a reasonable solution. Many teachers that I know, family and friends, have been telling me some version of they don’t think they should go back to physical school until there is a vaccine. That it’s not fair to ask teachers to expose themselves to students who may be sick. I don’t think this is a tenable solution, and being that they have no ill effect from waiting, there doesn’t seem to be any willingness to compromise on a solution more beneficial for society as a whole.

 

[davethevol]

My “issue,” if you want to call it that, with government employees and teachers to a degree is that there is no motivation to figure out a reasonable solution. Many teachers that I know, family and friends, have been telling me some version of they don’t think they should go back to physical school until there is a vaccine. That it’s not fair to ask teachers to expose themselves to students who may be sick. I don’t think this is a tenable solution, and being that they have no ill effect from waiting, there doesn’t seem to be any willingness to compromise on a solution more beneficial for society as a whole.

I have connections to county education, and some teachers have been asked to help develop materials for the kids and have dropped the ball (some flat out refused). If school isn’t in a classroom come fall, then they need to let go of the educators that aren’t top performers, and pay those that are more money.

 

[Power T-Rev]

My “issue,” if you want to call it that, with government employees and teachers to a degree is that there is no motivation to figure out a reasonable solution. Many teachers that I know, family and friends, have been telling me some version of they don’t think they should go back to physical school until there is a vaccine. That it’s not fair to ask teachers to expose themselves to students who may be sick. I don’t think this is a tenable solution, and being that they have no ill effect from waiting, there doesn’t seem to be any willingness to compromise on a solution more beneficial for society as a whole.

Can't develop herd immunity if you never go back to school.

 

[newyorkvol]

I have connections to county education, and some teachers have been asked to help develop materials for the kids and have dropped the ball (some flat out refused). If school isn’t in a classroom come fall, then they need to let go of the educators that aren’t top performers, and pay those that are more money.

I’m sure everyone has stories about the current home learning, but I have four boys grades 4,6,8,11. You can actually see the amount of time different teachers spend on creating the coursework each week. Some are pretty impressive, and others just aren’t.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Yeah - I won't think anyone is getting technical about 14 days at that point.

In Vandy's study of Tennessee, I recall the SE TN / Hamilton block having an R that straddled 1, while the Knox and surrounding counties were actually well under 1. With numbers like that, the valley should be really pushing down active cases and shaping up for a return to work before long.

I don't understand how this works on the start up? Our Knox County numbers could be perfect and 1 person from the infected area near Nashville (or any other area of the country) could come in with no symptoms and reverse that situation in 1 day. Don't we still need to stay in place in city, county or some other limited geographical area for this to work?

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Most are probably getting more work done at home. Working at home is a trend that has been growing for years.
My next door neighbor sells pharmaceuticals. He changed to working from home, and calling on clients by phone/facetime. He says it has been so successful that they won't go back to on site visits in person unless needed.

That will last until his competition sends in the beautiful blonde salesperson to compete face to face.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I'd like to see all public education permanently shifted to virtual learning. We could cut the cost of public education to a fraction of what it is currently and give home owners' the property tax break they all deserve. There are many good teachers, some good public schools, and a few good public school districts. Mostly though, it's taxpayer funded day care. Make parents decide between the actual cost of paying for all-day child care versus going to work and I can pretty much guarantee that as more and more parents elect to stay home and be a caretaker the shrinking labor market will drive up wages to where we can get back to families being able to maintain a middle class lifestyle with one working parent.