Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

Status
Not open for further replies.
#123,201
#123,201
MarcoVol said:
Maybe you should move? For example, in SC you can still assemble for worship, even now. You’re choosing to live somewhere that doesn’t allow that. That’s on you. You’re free to move. Government isn’t stopping you.

Additionally, you’re free to earn a living. Start an online business, a landscaping business, be a healthcare worker, work at a restaurant, as a delivery driver, etc. There are still people earning a living and not just in those careers. You choose to work in a field (I assume, since you made this a point) that doesn’t allow you to do that in these times yet in reality, you have the freedom to find other work. No one stopping you. Not saying it’s easy to do and certainly not trying to minimize the economic impact of this bc EVERYONE is feeling it, I’m just pointing out the government isn’t keeping you from getting another job.

Your rights aren’t being infringed upon as much as you want to believe, or I guess want everyone else to believe. You’re just not capable and/or willing to find solutions to the road blocks that have been placed in front of you.

The government isn’t stopping you from doing those things you listed, you’re stopping yourself. You’re still a free man in a free country.
Click to expand...

While all freedoms have not yet been eroded, you are kidding yourself to believe that this country is not affected by those who would seek to steal your liberty. Under the guise of protection, the public is being conditioned to authoritarian control. Some will not get it until the doors on the transport trains are slammed shut. Yeah, I know - it could not happen here. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. (paraphrased from George Satayana)
 
  • Like
Reactions: bullet20, 9876543vol, Ulysees E. McGill and 3 others
#123,205
#123,205
Bassmaster_Vol said:
But... we aren't having one, even though we were told 4 weeks ago that we'd have one in two weeks, and then two weeks ago we'd be having one right now. It's not happening. Was never going to happen. I'm sure social distancing is helping, but those models included social distancing, and yet nobody is running out of ventilators. Hospitals are not running out of room. My wife is a nurse here in Atlanta and is sitting over there with nearly nothing to do.
Click to expand...
That is good news. My opinion is that we will never know how much these measures have actually helped, but I think most of us can agree that they have made a difference.
 
  • Like
Reactions: barrylee, InVOLuntary, VOLSONLY and 3 others
#123,206
#123,206
WriterVol said:
Yes, now run the numbers against that entire population and compare it to the number of hospital beds in the U.S.

See which one runs out first.
Click to expand...

But what does the age of the patient have to do with how many beds are needed or available? Doesn't matter if 4% or 40% of those hospitalized are under 55. Whatever their age, Ii they need a bed, they need a bed.
 
#123,213
#123,213
WriterVol said:
One of the problems with preventive measures is that when they are done right, you aren't sure they did anything at all.

If you don't think the mitigation did anything despite all the evidence and numbers that have been thrown around, I don't think I'm going to convince you otherwise on a sports message board.

Click to expand...

Again, as I said, the models included social distancing measures. They weren't models about what would happen without them, but with them. And even those projections did not happen. There is also speculation that this has been around much longer than we realize. Again, we may never know if we have done the right thing or not, but I continue to believe that this thing is overblown and that there could have been a much better way without shutting the country down. The models that our president and staff went by were extraordinarily flawed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 9876543vol, JacketVol and vol72
#123,216
#123,216
WriterVol said:
Merry-go-round.

The numbers and projections changed only after the mitigation efforts took hold. What would they look like with no mitigation? I can't definitively answer that and neither can you, but a lot of people who are experts said it would be really bad. Based on the numbers, the experience of Italy and Spain, and New York and New Orleans, I'm inclined to believe them.

Further, if hospitals did get overrun when we didn't do anything to slow the virus, what do you think would have happened to people's behavior, the stock market, and the movement of goods, services, and money in the country? I don't know about you, but I'm guessing those take a big hit in that scenario as well.
Click to expand...

If there had been NO mitigation, clearly the numbers would be higher than they are now. But using the argument of NO mitigation is a straw man. There was never going to be NO mitigation. And there was never going to be 2 million dead in the US from this as was being pushed. NEVER.

The realistic question is, what would the numbers now be if we had only done the normal things we should always do during disease season, i.e., frequently wash your hands, when coughing or sneezing do so into your elbow, stay home if your sick especially with a fever. I suspect the numbers would be higher, but only speculation how much higher. Those who think we've reacted appropriately would insist the numbers would much higher than those who think we've over reacted.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bullet20 and Ulysees E. McGill
#123,218
#123,218
WriterVol said:
One of the problems with preventive measures is that when they are done right, you aren't sure they did anything at all.

If you don't think the mitigation did anything despite all the evidence and numbers that have been thrown around, I don't think I'm going to convince you otherwise on a sports message board.

Click to expand...


It's too politicized in the US to have a reasonable discussion. I'm still watching S. Korea. They claim to have controlled the spread by tracing and testing, so their case numbers are probably more accurate than ours. They are sneaking up on 2% mortality. My gut tells me this virus is relatively easy to contain, but still extremely dangerous. Kinda like fire. This fall will be key. People will be less respectful of mitigation, so if a 2nd wave happens it may be tougher to contain.
 
  • Like
Reactions: VOLSONLY, chargervol, CreiveHallVol and 1 other person
#123,221
#123,221
OrangenSC said:
Yeah, so even if this is/was overblown, screw those whose lives have been needlessly messed up, those who have needlessly lost jobs, retirees who now don't know how they're going to have enough income, young people who are confused and scared, hs seniors who feel cheated because they don't get a prom and maybe not a real graduation, companies that have gone under. Hey, they need to just get over it. At least they didn't die like somebody said they might, so it's all good.

Sorry, sometimes "oopsie" isn't good enough. It's good news, but anyone who doesn't see the bad is just trying to argue.
Click to expand...

Seems like this being declared a pandemic by health organizations and countries all around the world would automatically qualify as there being a NEED to take action.

I agree though, there is a lot of bad coming from this. That is true. Not sure why you’re trying to attach what I said to the idea that ppl “just need to get over it”. Awful impact, no doubt about it. I was simply trying to look at the positive in that maybe hundreds of thousands of lives were being saved. A lot are also being negatively affected tho, absolutely.

Maybe it was overblown but how will we ever know? Not sure we’ll ever know the impact social distancing and stay at home orders have had and will have on this.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OrangenSC
#123,224
#123,224
drvenner said:
Who do you think made the biggest difference for the Union in the Battle of Gettysburg?
Click to expand...

JEB Stuart. Sort of jokingly.

Buford's cavalry was critical in the initial skirmish on Day 1.

Chamberlain's decision to attach bayonets and charge down the hill.

Lee, for not allowing Longstreet to swing his corp further to the right and flank the Union left.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: drvenner and Ulysees E. McGill
#123,225
#123,225
Bassmaster_Vol said:
But... we aren't having one, even though we were told 4 weeks ago that we'd have one in two weeks, and then two weeks ago we'd be having one right now. It's not happening. Was never going to happen. I'm sure social distancing is helping, but those models included social distancing, and yet nobody is running out of ventilators. Hospitals are not running out of room. My wife is a nurse here in Atlanta and is sitting over there with nearly nothing to do.
Click to expand...

Still waiting on the need for 7000 more hospital beds and seeing 3000 deaths in TN that Gov. Lee told us to prepare to experience. Less than 500 hospitalizations and 79 total deaths. We are a month into the big build up of the curve and it has been slowing down for several days. Now down to 7.7% positives on 56+K of tests.

I watched a media interview of the NC AG several days back. The media talking head was telling him how it was moving down the coast to them and they would be swamped. A state with 4 more million people that TN has significantly less total numbers in every category than even us in TN.

Sunlight (UV) and heat. Social distancing. Washing hands. They all work. Same as with the flu and many other communicable diseases. Time for Big Pharma and medical research institutions to take care of business here in America first so we can lead the world in saving lives instead of using China and the CCP controlled research labs and therapeutics production running human experiments worldwide.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Paper_Towel, Brillovol, VOLSONLY and 5 others
New posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Advertisement



Back
Top