Gun control debate (merged)

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DancingOutlaw said:
Yeah when these fourth amendment freaks are like hey stop violating my rights I’m like shut up pansies. People defending their rights are idiots.
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Yet you have no problem wanting to restrict the 1A rights of the press when they hurt your hero's feelings. You do see the hypocrisy there, right?
 
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bnhunt said:
Yet you have no problem wanting to restrict the 1A rights of the press when they hurt your hero's feelings. You do see the hypocrisy there, right?
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Let’s be real here. No dem should ever talk about being on the right side of 1a. If it wasn’t for 1a. The left would of past hate speech laws along time ago. I don’t know about said poster, but if you’re asking me that question, the media has the right to write whatever fake crap they want. If people, like yourself, are too stupid to think for themselves than that is a bigger problem than the media’s lies.
 
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bnhunt said:
Gun owners are the most emotional people in America. If you propose anything that restricts your "right" to the unfettered purchase of firearms you lose your minds.
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Actually the people who get scared at the thought of all the people carrying around inanimate objects around them daily are the feelz ones. I rely on the Constitution, not your emotional fear
 
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LouderVol said:
No idea. But again I pay attention to historical evidence. And Kent State wasnt even to the extremes we are talking about. So it is probable.
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It is rather disappointing that the line level troop chose to fire on college students and young people regardless what the command was instructing them to do. However I’m fairly certain Kent State is brought up to instruct as both a failing of Lowe level military leadership as well as when/where to deploy military forces
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Perhaps you should have a look at this study.
Front Matter | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
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Ok, I did. Was this the section you’re pointing out?
”There are many legal and responsible uses for guns; an individual’s right to own and possess guns was established in the U.S. Constitution and affirmed in the 2008 and 2010 Supreme Court rulings in District of Columbia v. Heller15 and McDonald v. City of Chicago.16 However, the scarcity of research on firearm-related violence limits policy makers’ ability to propose evidence-based policies that reduce injuries and deaths and maximize safety while recognizing Second Amendment rights. Since the 1960s, a number of state and federal laws and regulations have been enacted that restrict government’s ability to collect and share information about gun sales, ownership, and possession, which has limited data collection and collation relevant to firearm violence prevention research. Among these are the amendments to the Gun Control Act of 1968,17 which prohibits the federal government from establishing an electronic database of the names of gun purchasers and requires gun dealers to conduct annual inventories of their firearms.
In addition to the restrictions on certain kinds of data collection, congressional action in 1996 effectively halted all firearm-related injury research at the CDC by prohibiting the use of federal funding “to advocate or promote gun control.”18 In 2011, Congress enacted similar restrictions affecting the entire U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.19 The net result was an overall reduction in firearm violence research (Kellermann and Rivara, 2013). As a result, the past 20 years have witnessed diminished progress in understanding the causes and effects of firearm violence.“
 
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vols40 said:
Why is the CDC doing studies on gun violence? Are these guns contagious?
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The CDC studies just about anything and everything detrimental to human life and well-being, but they weren’t the only ones mentioned were they? The FBI, CIA, ATF... they all have legal or financial restrictions on gun-related research.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Wrong on so many levels . You start from a position of assuming people’s natural inclination is to shoot someone . If you have two children , one does as you ask , obeys what say and doesn’t get into trouble , do you punish that one because the other one does the opposite? I can name you multiple cities and states that took this proactive approach to stop people from committing crimes with firearms , they will be the strictest gun laws in this country , and they will be failures . Proving that theory wrong . Punishing the masses for the sins of the few is always been a horrible ideology.
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Be careful you don’t break a leg trying to sidestep issues so hard.

One, I “assume people’s natural inclination is to shoot someone” because they do. It happens... it actually happens a lot in this country. So you can just drop this “assumption” because it is not an assumption, it’s a fact.

Two, I have not once advocated to “punish” anyone who has proven that they can be a responsible gun owner. So, in my view, the only people who should worry about being able to own a gun are the ones who have clearly proven they are not responsible humans. Do you have a traceable pattern of misconduct that would call your judgement into question? If not, then nobody cares if you have guns.
 
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OHvol40 said:
That’s your hope, not a fact.
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What are the 'facts' then? And not to speak for him, but it is not a 'hope' that gun control laws would prevent gun deaths. It is a 'fact' that new gun control laws as you Nazis would write them would trample on the rights of the people. But I would love to hear what you think a reasonable new law would accomplish.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
What are the 'facts' then? And not to speak for him, but it is not a 'hope' that gun control laws would prevent gun deaths. It is a 'fact' that new gun control laws as you Nazis would write them would trample on the rights of the people. But I would love to hear what you think a reasonable new law would accomplish.
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Here is a fact.

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