Gun control debate (merged)

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hog88 said:
You posted:



I replied:



Then you posted a BS study about universal BGCs reducing gun violence. Find the stats before there was BGCs period.
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So what year are you talking about? What was the population of the country? How many guns were there? Do you have any studies that invalidate the article I posted? You if want to be scientific, be scientific.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Those areas also have gun laws that are stricter than federal gun laws, and yet those areas have worse crime rates than many places with less restrictive gun laws.
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So what laws make those places stronger?

There are countries all over the world that have much less gun violence than the US, so does your theory just work state-to-state or does it apply country-to-country as well? Do some imaginary lines matter while others don’t?
 
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OHvol40 said:
So what year are you talking about? What was the population of the country? How many guns were there? Do you have any studies that invalidate the article I posted? You if want to be scientific, be scientific.
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You made a claim you can’t backup and the study you posted is complete bull.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Well government is the regulating agency we have. I share the distrust but I guess my answer is if you don’t trust the people who represent your interests there then choose more wisely.

Doing nothing when you have a clear problem that other parts of the world don’t have is... well it’s just dumb.
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We simply disagree on your last paragraph. We aren’t like the rest of the world. They have been totally disarmed. We never will be disarmed. Too damn late for that. Thus I don’t think the comparison applies.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Ok, without google, what are our other “rights”? Do you ardently defend every “right” as you do that one? Can you even name them?
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You are in a gun thread talking about more restrictions , why do you guys always deflect onto other rights ? If you want to talk about free speech , freedom of religion, a free press , the right to assemble , a right to a fair and speedy trial , your right as a home owner not to be made to shelter soldiers in your home during peace times , your right to a trial by jury , or excessive fines , illegal search and seizure ... then you can always start another thread . 😉
 
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OHvol40 said:
So what laws make those places stronger?

There are countries all over the world that have much less gun violence than the US, so does your theory just work state-to-state or does it apply country-to-country as well? Do some imaginary lines matter while others don’t?
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Idk what you mean by your first question.

By all means, give me an example of some fun laws in other countries and tell me how they would be implemented in the USA.
 
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hog88 said:
You made a claim you can’t backup and the study you posted is complete bull.
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Ok, so unscientifically just going off what you believe is the route. That’s not what I would do, but a lot of Americans use that approach, so have at it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We simply disagree on your last paragraph. We aren’t like the rest of the world. They have been totally disarmed. We never will be disarmed. Too damn late for that. Thus I don’t think the comparison applies.
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I understand wanting to arm yourself against tyranny, and I agree. BUT, if your fear is tyranny then you must lose your mind when you see our country’s DOD budget. No amount of personal gun ownership can make up for what we let them have.

My concern is people, regular citizens, continuously dying unnecessarily.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You are in a gun thread talking about more restrictions , why do you guys always deflect onto other rights ? If you want to talk about free speech , freedom of religion, a free press , the right to assemble , a right to a fair and speedy trial , your right as a home owner not to be made to shelter soldiers in your home during peace times , your right to a trial by jury , or excessive fines , illegal search and seizure ... then you can always start another thread . 😉
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There are obviously no 7th amendment threads, and no interests in them. That’s my point.
 
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OHvol40 said:
So what laws make those places stronger?

There are countries all over the world that have much less gun violence than the US, so does your theory just work state-to-state or does it apply country-to-country as well? Do some imaginary lines matter while others don’t?
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They aren’t stronger , sheep aren’t strong they just follow commands well . One barking dog can control a whole heard . We as Americans aren’t like the people in other countries mainly because we have so many rights and freedoms . It’s not guns that are the problem, we don’t have a gun problem , we have idiot problems . Why don’t you spend more time trying to fix the idiots instead of trying to prevent people who are not idiots from having what is there right to have ?
 
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What does the speed of buying a gun have to do with anything other than the desire to make it more onerous to discourage purchasing one?
 
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0nelilreb said:
They aren’t stronger , sheep aren’t strong they just follow commands well . One barking dog can control a whole heard . We as Americans aren’t like the people in other countries mainly because we have so many rights and freedoms . It’s not guns that are the problem, we don’t have a gun problem , we have idiot problems . Why don’t you spend more time trying to fix the idiots instead of trying to prevent people who are not idiots from having what is there right to have ?
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So do you have proof that we have an “idiot problem”, or is that just your opinion?
 
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OHvol40 said:
So do you have proof that we have an “idiot problem”, or is that just your opinion?
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I’m old enough , experienced enough , traveled enough , and I’m not deaf nor blind ... we don’t just have an idiot problem , we have a massive amount of idiots in this country . My opinion is based on facts from all the things I listed first .
edit : I also lived and worked in California.. that alone qualifies my statement .
 
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OHvol40 said:
I understand wanting to arm yourself against tyranny, and I agree. BUT, if your fear is tyranny then you must lose your mind when you see our country’s DOD budget. No amount of personal gun ownership can make up for what we let them have.

My concern is people, regular citizens, continuously dying unnecessarily.
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I work for a defense contractor and I think we spend too much on defense.

However I don’t use that opinion as a rationalization to diminish constitutionally affirmed right willingly.
 
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OHvol40 said:
History tells us that hunting does need to be regulated because people aren’t capable of regulating themselves. This a proven, historical fact. So unless you like seeing species become extinct from excessive unregulated hunting, like they have in the past, then yes, hunting regulation is necessary. Anything else is just short-sighted.

Statistics also tell us that gun regulations work in the prevention of gun violence. Wish that weren’t true, but again, human nature dictates that people can’t or won’t police themselves. I’m of the opinion that not everyone deserves the privilege of gun ownership, because it’s a responsibility, and a serious one.
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What violence is prevented by “new” gun regulations exactly?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What violence is prevented by “new” gun regulations exactly?
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I can't help but notice that the central theme of OHvol40's post seems to "we need the government to enact and enforce laws for those who will not act responsibly." My family grew up in East Tennessee. Several generations deep. We hunted, fished, and farmed. We understood that you can hunt too much, fish too much, and farm the land too much. So we followed the lessons of our ancestors.

Same goes with guns. I have been around guns since I can remember. Spent 20 years in the military, and this year marks 20 years as an LEO, full and part-time. I have been in two OIS's, and I'm not proud of it, but I had no other choice in either one. I own a number of guns, and I am no more threat to you than a butterfly...unless you offer harm to me or mine.

IMO, the 2nd Amendment is not the problem; it's the people who have no idea that with great freedom comes great responsibility.

No law, or series of laws, can remedy that. It's not more laws that we need, it's more compliance with the laws we already have. More laws won't solve that problem.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I work for a defense contractor and I think we spend too much on defense.

However I don’t use that opinion as a rationalization to diminish constitutionally affirmed right willingly.
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So do you believe armed American citizens could defend themselves against the US military? (Not being snarky, genuinely interested)
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I can't help but notice that the central theme of OHvol40's post seems to "we need the government to enact and enforce laws for those who will not act responsibly." My family grew up in East Tennessee. Several generations deep. We hunted, fished, and farmed. We understood that you can hunt too much, fish too much, and farm the land too much. So we followed the lessons of our ancestors.

Same goes with guns. I have been around guns since I can remember. Spent 20 years in the military, and this year marks 20 years as an LEO, full and part-time. I have been in two OIS's, and I'm not proud of it, but I had no other choice in either one. I own a number of guns, and I am no more threat to you than a butterfly...unless you offer harm to me or mine.

IMO, the 2nd Amendment is not the problem; it's the people who have no idea that with great freedom comes great responsibility.

No law, or series of laws, can remedy that. It's not more laws that we need, it's more compliance with the laws we already have. More laws won't solve that problem.
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Aren't you a cop? They make laws for the irresponsible for like having a taillight out.
 
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