Official Gramps' Memorial Eternal OT Thread

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Orangeburst said:
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Awesome. My first full on belly-laugh of the day.

Thank you so much for that.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Any game that needs that type of hand eye coordination is a sport.
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So much hand eye coordination most people drink while doing it?

Gamers , VR in particular, need hand eye coordination too, doesnt make them athletes.

If the professional "game" relies on caddies to do the physical work it's not something you can brag about.

It's the type of sport that belongs on ESPN El Ocho along with dodgeball and darts for hand eye coordination.

I would put dodgeball above golf as far as a real sport. Direct competition, hand eye coordination, both throwing and catching, athletic ability. And most importantly excitment.

Also really bothers me they quiet people down. Can you imagine trying to tell Neyland to be quiet?

Great hobby, sport it is not.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Great game. I quit baseball when I discovered it in high school.
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I quit baseball when I saw my first hanging curveball coming straight at my face. I bailed out and heard the ump yell Steeeeerike!!!! That's when I took up golf, which I rarely play anymore. That has gotten stupidly expensive, and I HATE golf carts.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I quit baseball when I saw my first hanging curveball coming straight at my face. I bailed out and heard the ump yell Steeeeerike!!!! That's when I took up golf, which I rarely play anymore. That has gotten stupidly expensive, and I HATE golf carts.
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I quit baseball when I started considering letting the pitcher hit me with a fast ball to get out of playing.
 
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LouderVol said:
So much hand eye coordination most people drink while doing it?

Gamers , VR in particular, need hand eye coordination too, doesnt make them athletes.

If the professional "game" relies on caddies to do the physical work it's not something you can brag about.

It's the type of sport that belongs on ESPN El Ocho along with dodgeball and darts for hand eye coordination.

I would put dodgeball above golf as far as a real sport. Direct competition, hand eye coordination, both throwing and catching, athletic ability. And most importantly excitment.

Also really bothers me they quiet people down. Can you imagine trying to tell Neyland to be quiet?

Great hobby, sport it is not.
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Is baseball a sport? Car racing? Skeet shooting? How do you define 'sport'? Personally I think it depends on the level of the activity/game determines this. If you are saying only activities that require a raised heart rate and sweat are sports, then that is a narrow spectrum. I heard once that VJ Singh hits over 750,000 golf balls a year in practice. That is a LOT of body movement. The average weekend duffer hits a bucket before walking out to the first tee, and then whines when his first ball goes in the gulag. From what I hear, NASCAR drivers have high heart rates and some lose weight because of the heat. And from experience, pulling Gs is not for the faint of heart. (I haven't done any in over 30 years, but I remember it is a young man's game). Golf is a team sport believe it or not. For a pretty good explanation of that, watch the movie "Loopers: The Caddies Long Walk". To see how NASCAR is a team sport, watch "The Blink of an Eye". (Don't let your wife see you watching that one, even if you don't like car racing it will bring tears.)

So let's start a debate: Which 'sport' requires the best conditioned athletes? I'll start, and second place no matter what you choose isn't remotely close: Ice hockey.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Is baseball a sport? Car racing? Skeet shooting? How do you define 'sport'? Personally I think it depends on the level of the activity/game determines this. If you are saying only activities that require a raised heart rate and sweat are sports, then that is a narrow spectrum. I heard once that VJ Singh hits over 750,000 golf balls a year in practice. That is a LOT of body movement. The average weekend duffer hits a bucket before walking out to the first tee, and then whines when his first ball goes in the gulag. From what I hear, NASCAR drivers have high heart rates and some lose weight because of the heat. And from experience, pulling Gs is not for the faint of heart. (I haven't done any in over 30 years, but I remember it is a young man's game). Golf is a team sport believe it or not. For a pretty good explanation of that, watch the movie "Loopers: The Caddies Long Walk". To see how NASCAR is a team sport, watch "The Blink of an Eye". (Don't let your wife see you watching that one, even if you don't like car racing it will bring tears.)

So let's start a debate: Which 'sport' requires the best conditioned athletes? I'll start, and second place no matter what you choose isn't remotely close: Ice hockey.
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#1 Wrestling (real)
#2 Hockey
 
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LouderVol said:
So much hand eye coordination most people drink while doing it?

Gamers , VR in particular, need hand eye coordination too, doesnt make them athletes.

If the professional "game" relies on caddies to do the physical work it's not something you can brag about.

It's the type of sport that belongs on ESPN El Ocho along with dodgeball and darts for hand eye coordination.

I would put dodgeball above golf as far as a real sport. Direct competition, hand eye coordination, both throwing and catching, athletic ability. And most importantly excitment.

Also really bothers me they quiet people down. Can you imagine trying to tell Neyland to be quiet?

Great hobby, sport it is not.
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I'm not talking about the way you play it. I'm talking about people that are good at it, and serious about it. They aren't drinking when they play. It's as much of a sport as any other. What is your definition of a sport?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Is baseball a sport? Car racing? Skeet shooting? How do you define 'sport'? Personally I think it depends on the level of the activity/game determines this. If you are saying only activities that require a raised heart rate and sweat are sports, then that is a narrow spectrum. I heard once that VJ Singh hits over 750,000 golf balls a year in practice. That is a LOT of body movement. The average weekend duffer hits a bucket before walking out to the first tee, and then whines when his first ball goes in the gulag. From what I hear, NASCAR drivers have high heart rates and some lose weight because of the heat. And from experience, pulling Gs is not for the faint of heart. (I haven't done any in over 30 years, but I remember it is a young man's game). Golf is a team sport believe it or not. For a pretty good explanation of that, watch the movie "Loopers: The Caddies Long Walk". To see how NASCAR is a team sport, watch "The Blink of an Eye". (Don't let your wife see you watching that one, even if you don't like car racing it will bring tears.)

So let's start a debate: Which 'sport' requires the best conditioned athletes? I'll start, and second place no matter what you choose isn't remotely close: Ice hockey.
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Depends on what you mean by conditioning.

A marathon runner is better conditioned than an NFL TE. But the TE is definitely a better athlete. Usain Bolt would probably be pedestrian at a marathon the first couple of times he did it.

Personally I would say BB players. Constant movement, speed, size, skill, physical enough to require muscle. And the type of movements they do is all over. Jumping is a different muscle than running. Their short sprints is different than making a break across the court. The quick twitch with moving players around and set plays type of stuff. For full body conditioning I would say BB. And for the record I am probably the worst BB player on this forum and dont even like to watch it that much. So I consider myself unbiased when I choose them.

Football has too many breaks for me to consider it tops.

Nascar is a very specific skill set. That endurance is crazy, and stress and reflexes out the roof for those speeds and conditions. Nascar also has some strategy in fueling, and how they run the cars, and make moves. It's also direct competition.

Ice hockey is definitely intense. Wont find me questioning it or the players.

Golf has no direct competition. None. Even less than baseball. They are competing over ball placement in such controlled conditions it would make other sports unbearable. And very little strategy from one hole to the next. It's not like baseball where you pepper a guy with fastballs and then throw in a change up. No fixed or called plays. As I have heard it described its you vs the ball, you play you own game and hope to come out better than the next guy.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I'm not talking about the way you play it. I'm talking about people that are good at it, and serious about it. They aren't drinking when they play. It's as much of a sport as any other. What is your definition of a sport?
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Professional dart players dont drink either.

Direct competition between competitors is key for what makes a sport. When your actions directly impact the other players/team. After that it's a blend of athletic ability, skill, and strategy. I also tend to favor group sports over individuals. Its relatively easy to train individuals, but getting a team together is artwork. I love the tales of less talented teams playing together and winning.
 
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LouderVol said:
Depends on what you mean by conditioning.

A marathon runner is better conditioned than an NFL TE. But the TE is definitely a better athlete. Usain Bolt would probably be pedestrian at a marathon the first couple of times he did it.

Personally I would say BB players. Constant movement, speed, size, skill, physical enough to require muscle. And the type of movements they do is all over. Jumping is a different muscle than running. Their short sprints is different than making a break across the court. The quick twitch with moving players around and set plays type of stuff. For full body conditioning I would say BB. And for the record I am probably the worst BB player on this forum and dont even like to watch it that much. So I consider myself unbiased when I choose them.

Football has too many breaks for me to consider it tops.

Nascar is a very specific skill set. That endurance is crazy, and stress and reflexes out the roof for those speeds and conditions. Nascar also has some strategy in fueling, and how they run the cars, and make moves. It's also direct competition.

Ice hockey is definitely intense. Wont find me questioning it or the players.

Golf has no direct competition. None. Even less than baseball. They are competing over ball placement in such controlled conditions it would make other sports unbearable. And very little strategy from one hole to the next. It's not like baseball where you pepper a guy with fastballs and then throw in a change up. No fixed or called plays. As I have heard it described its you vs the ball, you play you own game and hope to come out better than the next guy.
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The competition is the golf course and yourself. As far as controlled conditions, no 2 shots are the same , and there is plenty of strategy. It is like pool in that you are trying to set up your next shot. You just don't understand the complexities unless you play at a high level.
 
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hog88 said:
#1 Wrestling (real)
#2 Hockey
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Wrestling is short burst conditioning. You see it all the time when they wear out and just hang on to each other sucking air.

I loved the grappling aspect of wrestling. Body control and positioning. Leverage. Fun application of physics. Lack of team work and some of the set constraints limited how much I enjoyed it.
 
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LouderVol said:
Professional dart players dont drink either.

Direct competition between competitors is key for what makes a sport. When your actions directly impact the other players/team. After that it's a blend of athletic ability, skill, and strategy. I also tend to favor group sports over individuals. Its relatively easy to train individuals, but getting a team together is artwork. I love the tales of less talented teams playing together and winning.
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So, you think that when the crowd roars at Augusta for a late Sunday Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus birdie or eagle, that it doesn't directly impact the other players? That is where the competition with other players comes in. Ask a now dead Seve Ballesteros what caused him to lay the sod over it on the 15th hole after watching Nicklaus go on a tear. Ask Tom Weiskopf why he hit such a sorry tee shot on 16 at Augusta after a Nicklaus birdie putt put him one ahead on Sunday. Ask Greg Norman why he hit a high right push on the 72nd hole in 1986 and bogeyed when a par would have put him in a playoff with Nicklaus who ran the table on the back 9.

Ask Brooks Koepka and Francisco Molinari why they each dumped their tee shot in the creek on number 12 when Tiger Woods made his charge. You don't have to tackle or block a guy to get in his head and cause him to mess up.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The competition is the golf course and yourself. As far as controlled conditions, no 2 shots are the same , and there is plenty of strategy. It is like pool in that you are trying to set up your next shot. You just don't understand the complexities unless you play at a high level.
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Your not setting up you next shot in a strategic way. Like you arent going to hit your ball backwards, unless you have wedged yourself somewhere, to set up a shot. And you arent setting your shots to "mess" with the competition. You are directly playing the game of how do I work my shots to have the lowest score possible. It's literally a linear sport. Thats not strategic. You have a fixed A and Z point, but you set your own B,C, D, etc to your own game with no relation to other conditions.

Pool the other player, and their balls, are directly competing for location. Golf doesnt have that. At least I dont think you can whack the other players balls around. Or even set yourself up to block the ball or the hole. Dont they mark ball locations near the hole to make sure you cant hit the other ball?

If it's the player vs the course why are their score boards in the competitions? The course is the course. The other players have the same conditions. It's a neutral media.

And it's my understanding the players know the course before they play. Know what clubs they have, etc.

I am not knocking it as a hobby, skill, past time, etc. But sport it is not.
 
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LouderVol said:
Your not setting up you next shot in a strategic way. Like you arent going to hit your ball backwards, unless you have wedged yourself somewhere, to set up a shot. And you arent setting your shots to "mess" with the competition. You are directly playing the game of how do I work my shots to have the lowest score possible. It's literally a linear sport. Thats not strategic. You have a fixed A and Z point, but you set your own B,C, D, etc to your own game with no relation to other conditions.

Pool the other player, and their balls, are directly competing for location. Golf doesnt have that. At least I dont think you can whack the other players balls around. Or even set yourself up to block the ball or the hole. Dont they mark ball locations near the hole to make sure you cant hit the other ball?

If it's the player vs the course why are their score boards in the competitions? The course is the course. The other players have the same conditions. It's a neutral media.

And it's my understanding the players know the course before they play. Know what clubs they have, etc.

I am not knocking it as a hobby, skill, past time, etc. But sport it is not.
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No offense, but you don't understand the game beyond hacker level.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, you think that when the crowd roars at Augusta for a late Sunday Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus birdie or eagle, that it doesn't directly impact the other players? That is where the competition with other players comes in. Ask a now dead Seve Ballesteros what caused him to lay the sod over it on the 15th hole after watching Nicklaus go on a tear. Ask Tom Weiskopf why he hit such a sorry tee shot on 16 at Augusta after a Nicklaus birdie putt put him one ahead on Sunday. Ask Greg Norman why he hit a high right push on the 72nd hole in 1986 and bogeyed when a par would have put him in a playoff with Nicklaus who ran the table on the back 9.

Ask Brooks Koepka and Francisco Molinari why they each dumped their tee shot in the creek on number 12 when Tiger Woods made his charge. You don't have to tackle or block a guy to get in his head and cause him to mess up.
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Momentum is a part of anything. And you are arguing against yourself. Is it you vs the course, or you vs the players?

Golf is just different that you cant do anything about another guys momentum but continue to do the only thing you are allowed to do, play your game.
 
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Outbid on the BMW X6. :(

I refuse to spend 20k on a car, put 7k of parts into it and my labor when the car will only be worth 30k after all repairs are done. I'd rather buy off a lot and not have to fool with the repairs.
 
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