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Mick said:
BC/BS was one that was mentioned specifically that pulled out of a market. It is a "non profit" locally-governed, tax-paying not-for-profit health plan and you want to blame anyone for them pulling out of a market, you would have to blame the State of Tennessee for not expanding medicare.
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Non profit doesn't mean anything these days. People are getting filthy rich off of non profits.
 
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Mick said:
BC/BS was one that was mentioned specifically that pulled out of a market. It is a "non profit" locally-governed, tax-paying not-for-profit health plan and you want to blame anyone for them pulling out of a market, you would have to blame the State of Tennessee for not expanding medicare.
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Since I live in GA, that’d be weird.
 
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Data offers glimpse of how ready Chattanooga's hospitals are for COVID-19 peak still ahead

This is the **** that annoys me. I can't decide if stuff like this is misinformation or disinformation.
In 2018, Chattanooga had 1,930 total hospital beds, according to the most recent available data from the American Hospital Association and the American Hospital Directory. About 66% of those beds were occupied at the time, which leaves 650 beds open for additional patients, including 250 intensive care unit beds.
An analysis by the nonprofit news outlet ProPublica used mathematical models by Harvard University researchers to estimate the effect on Chattanooga hospitals in a "moderate scenario" in which 40% of the adult population contracts COVID-19 over 12 months. It estimates that about 8% of the adult population will require hospital care — or 1,590 beds over 12 months — which is 2.4 times more than what's normally available.
The analysis also found that intensive care units in the area would be especially overwhelmed. Without coronavirus patients, on average there are only 59 available beds in intensive care units — 5.9 times less than what is needed to care for the projected amount of severe coronavirus cases.
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Now this article says over 12 months 1,600 people will need beds, 2.4 times the number of beds estimated to be open at any given time. My response is what sort of statement is that? Unless you assume all 1,600 will need to be hospitalized at the same time for 12 months, that ratio is irrelevant. It's like wondering how a school of 1600 can feed lunch to all students when the cafeteria holds 500. They should be factoring open bed days in a given year as compared to estimated patients per month and the average length of stay. But my guess is if you did that you would find the system can handle this influx without any horror stories. It also says there's only 59 ICU beds available, when two paragraphs before that number was 250. And then the same useless ratio is used again, this time with no support for how many would need an ICU bed. I'd also like to imagine the people needing to be in ICU were also in the pool of people that needed to be hospitalized(and thus the bed need should be lowered), but that's none of my business. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt as math seems to be some sort of foreign language to many. But presumably and adult wrote this and one of more adults reviewed this and thought it all checked out. Now is that multiple people being **** at math or is it multiple people thinking this fits the narrative I believe or want to convey, let's publish it. This story is one of many repeating the same "mistake" over and over again with regards to facts and numbers. Either there are a lot of people in the media that need classes on math and informatics or there may actually be a motive(unintentional or not) behind this current wave of journalism.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Data offers glimpse of how ready Chattanooga's hospitals are for COVID-19 peak still ahead

This is the **** that annoys me. I can't decide if stuff like this is misinformation or disinformation.

Now this article says over 12 months 1,600 people will need beds, 2.4 times the number of beds estimated to be open at any given time. My response is what sort of statement is that? Unless you assume all 1,600 will need to be hospitalized at the same time for 12 months, that ratio is irrelevant. It's like wondering how a school of 1600 can feed lunch to all students when the cafeteria holds 500. They should be factoring open bed days in a given year as compared to estimated patients per month and the average length of stay. But my guess is if you did that you would find the system can handle this influx without any horror stories. It also says there's only 59 ICU beds available, when two paragraphs before that number was 250. And then the same useless ratio is used again, this time with no support for how many would need an ICU bed. I'd also like to imagine the people needing to be in ICU were also in the pool of people that needed to be hospitalized(and thus the bed need should be lowered), but that's none of my business. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt as math seems to be some sort of foreign language to many. But presumably and adult wrote this and one of more adults reviewed this and thought it all checked out. Now is that multiple people being **** at math or is it multiple people thinking this fits the narrative I believe or want to convey, let's publish it. This story is one of many repeating the same "mistake" over and over again with regards to facts and numbers. Either there are a lot of people in the media that need classes on math and informatics or there may actually be a motive(unintentional or not) behind this current wave of journalism.
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Yes, it is extremely annoying. Many of the ventilator stories are the same way. Mixing and matching spot number of ventilators with overall trends and maxed out total numbers of sick.

I’m not so convinced this isn’t deliberate. The story should be mathematically it’s possible we could have massive shortages, but it’s extremely unlikely.
 
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Mick said:
Yep. Wonder how much the "franchise fee" is. I guess the sticking point for BC/BS of Tennessee was the cap on profits.
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No doubt that’s part of it. Between the legislative uncertainty, the Medicaid gap, market manipulation and lawmakers giving away coverages the individual and small group markets are just a disaster. Republicans want it to just all go away and Democrats want to take it over and will screw it up worse than it is.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I think we are starting to make a turning point.... it seems like deaths are starting climax and start to trend downward...... yes, I hope all of our politicians make decisions based on what they feel is best without giving a d$mn about what voters feel about it.
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Do you have any evidence that confirms this or are you just throwing $hit against the wall?
 
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Mick said:
Yep. Wonder how much the "franchise fee" is. I guess the sticking point for BC/BS of Tennessee was the cap on profits.
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BCBST lost $400M on the exchanges the first few years. How many companies do you think would stick around for that party? They raised rates 200%+ from the initial year and still couldn't turn a profit in many areas. When you can sign up for ACA in December, get your knees done in January, and drop your coverage in March without owing a dime, the system isn't going to work for a lot of companies. The co-op established in TN decided to undercut everyone else on rates to gain membership. That got it a lot of healthy people who didn't want to pay the penalty. What they didn't consider is that the risk adjustment provision meant the companies that lost would have to be made whole in part by the other companies operating in the state who made money. When the co-op got the bill for what it owed in risk adjustment it simply folded. They didn't have the cash to pay the bill so they went bankrupt. And that was the quasi government entity the ACA created. That would certainly give you hope for the market. I saw an article touting the ACA still kicking a decade later, with 12 million members. What an accomplishment, how many billions spent to insure less than 4% of the population. That certainly solved our insurance issues for good.
 
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RavinDave said:
Trump was evidently looking at doing that, I would assume on the advice of his medical experts. But he decided otherwise, for reasons that are not clear but it was mentioned he had talked to the governors of NY, NJ and CT before announcing a quarantine of those states was not going to be happening (at least, not yet).
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Sure, but I'm actually responding to posts stating Trump will lose their vote if he does this, noting Cuomo's objection that it's unthinkable, and so on. It's odd *that* is the demarcation line for some.
 
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#JuanVol said:
Trump is getting blasted for suggesting a hot spot quarantine but what about Biden suggesting a nationwide 2 week shutdown? Also 20 house dems were encouraging it as well 4 days ago.
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That's a smart suggestion. Contain the spread and avoid a lot of unnecessary deaths. I own a small business and this would hurt, but human life is more important (or should be).
 
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evillawyer said:
I know the baby died, but lots of newborns die. Has it been determined that the death was from covid (i.e., the baby got pneumonia and died from that)?
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According to the article it sill being investigated.

"There has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant," said Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the director of the Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH). "A full investigation is underway to determine the cause of death. We must do everything we can to prevent the spread of this deadly virus. If not to protect ourselves, but to protect those around us
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Which begs the question....how many deaths are being linked to coronavirus simply because the person tested positive but actually died of something else non-related?
 
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GAVol said:
No doubt that’s part of it. Between the legislative uncertainty, the Medicaid gap, market manipulation and lawmakers giving away coverages the individual and small group markets are just a disaster. Republicans want it to just all go away and Democrats want to take it over and will screw it up worse than it is.
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I don't know about you, but pre ACA I saw my coverage go down and premiums and deductibles go up while profits for these insurance providers skyrocket. Good employer provided insurance gave way to no so good employer provided insurance. BC/BS of TN recently filed a lawsuit trying to stop state lawmakers from reviewing agreements they made with care providers because they are "trade secrets" (market manipulation).
 
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NCFisher said:
If Birx, the C19 coordinator, and other governors are saying, that people traveling from NY should "self-quarantine", why should we not seriously inquire whether NYS should be quarantined? Other states such as MA are telling travelers to the state to self-quarantine for 14 days. Only five countries (U.S., Italy, China, Spain, and Germany) have more infected than NYS. Germany has only 5K more infected.

Emotions aside, why should NYS not be quarantined?
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Can we all at least agree that we can't trust any news about the numbers out of China?
 
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