Gun control debate (merged)

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bnhunt said:
I just wish people would be sensible about it. It is the open carrying at a strawberry patch example I have used before. Way too many I don't trust with a gun who have a lot of them, and you probably do not fall into that category.
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When concealed carriers start playing Dirty Harry you’ll have a discussion point. Until then your just being premenstrual
 
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bnhunt I will roll with you. How does the saying go....God created all men but Sam Colt made all men equal. God is a crutch used by the weak minded and Sam Colt helped the weak minded to feel adequate. Lol.
 
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bnhunt said:
It's called cross-fire.
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Yes, it happens everyday. Want to post up any news about that happening? It should be very easy since you live in such fear for your "children."

Are they real or are they like all the other fiction you post? I am referring to both your "children" and your fears.

I think you just post this drivel to "stir up the righties" as you so "eloquently" posted in another thread.

If you want to argue this topic, one would think that a "40 year old lawyer" would be able to come up with something with more substance than this crap. It's weak and without foundation. Is it reflective of your other work? That's the conclusion you are leading us to.

You need to up your game.
 
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bnhunt said:
Damn, where do you people live where you are being robbed and your homes broken into constantly? I always love the right's narrative that liberals are weak because they are scared of guns when you people are so scared of everything that you feel the need to always have a gun. I have NEVER once felt like I needed a gun to be safe and I know that will blow most of your minds on here.
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I have gone thru an experience where I probably "needed" a gun. Attempted mugging. If not for a gas station clerk that looked like an active NFL linebacker I would have been robbed, at least, or beaten the F up and then robbed.

Still dont carry but dang if I dont consider it heavily.

There are more than 125,000 victims of violent crimes a year. Do they not have a valid stance?

What about these oversteps where the courts ruled against the government using force on citizens. No need for protection there either right?

It's funny you are afraid of gun crimes, but not violent crimes. Which are far more prevalent. Gun crimes make up less than a third. And apparently rape isnt considered a violent crime per the FBI, I thought that was jacked up. Doesnt include domestic violence either.

Whatever numbers you want to throw out about guns there are worse numbers that could have been stopped by lawful use of a gun.

And I would still love/hate to see the case of a civilian defendant blindly opening fire on a crowd in self defense. To support your argument. I figured you gun grabbers would have that story bookmarked, but I havent found it.
 
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LouderVol said:
I have gone thru an experience where I probably "needed" a gun. Attempted mugging. If not for a gas station clerk that looked like an active NFL linebacker I would have been robbed, at least, or beaten the F up and then robbed.

Still dont carry but dang if I dont consider it heavily.

There are more than 125,000 victims of violent crimes a year. Do they not have a valid stance?

What about these oversteps where the courts ruled against the government using force on citizens. No need for protection there either right?

It's funny you are afraid of gun crimes, but not violent crimes. Which are far more prevalent. Gun crimes make up less than a third. And apparently rape isnt considered a violent crime per the FBI, I thought that was jacked up. Doesnt include domestic violence either.

Whatever numbers you want to throw out about guns there are worse numbers that could have been stopped by lawful use of a gun.

And I would still love/hate to see the case of a civilian defendant blindly opening fire on a crowd in self defense. To support your argument. I figured you gun grabbers would have that story bookmarked, but I havent found it.
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Lol - 'Do not shoot the storm': Police urge Florida gun owners not to open fire on Hurricane Irma
 
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37L1 said:
Yes, it happens everyday. Want to post up any news about that happening? It should be very easy since you live in such fear for your "children."

Are they real or are they like all the other fiction you post? I am referring to both your "children" and your fears.

I think you just post this drivel to "stir up the righties" as you so "eloquently" posted in another thread.

If you want to argue this topic, one would think that a "40 year old lawyer" would be able to come up with something with more substance than this crap. It's weak and without foundation. Is it reflective of your other work? That's the conclusion you are leading us to.

You need to up your game.
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Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. ...

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault."
 
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LouderVol said:
I have gone thru an experience where I probably "needed" a gun. Attempted mugging. If not for a gas station clerk that looked like an active NFL linebacker I would have been robbed, at least, or beaten the F up and then robbed.

Still dont carry but dang if I dont consider it heavily.

There are more than 125,000 victims of violent crimes a year. Do they not have a valid stance?

What about these oversteps where the courts ruled against the government using force on citizens. No need for protection there either right?

It's funny you are afraid of gun crimes, but not violent crimes. Which are far more prevalent. Gun crimes make up less than a third. And apparently rape isnt considered a violent crime per the FBI, I thought that was jacked up. Doesnt include domestic violence either.

Whatever numbers you want to throw out about guns there are worse numbers that could have been stopped by lawful use of a gun.

And I would still love/hate to see the case of a civilian defendant blindly opening fire on a crowd in self defense. To support your argument. I figured you gun grabbers would have that story bookmarked, but I havent found it.
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Guns don't offer protection – whatever the National Rifle Association says

"They compared 677 cases in which people were injured in a shooting incident with 684 people living in the same area that had not suffered a gun injury. The researchers matched these "controls" for age, race and gender. They found that those with firearms were about 4.5 times more likely to be shot than those who did not carry, utterly belying this oft repeated mantra."
 
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LouderVol said:
I have gone thru an experience where I probably "needed" a gun. Attempted mugging. If not for a gas station clerk that looked like an active NFL linebacker I would have been robbed, at least, or beaten the F up and then robbed.

Still dont carry but dang if I dont consider it heavily.

There are more than 125,000 victims of violent crimes a year. Do they not have a valid stance?

What about these oversteps where the courts ruled against the government using force on citizens. No need for protection there either right?

It's funny you are afraid of gun crimes, but not violent crimes. Which are far more prevalent. Gun crimes make up less than a third. And apparently rape isnt considered a violent crime per the FBI, I thought that was jacked up. Doesnt include domestic violence either.

Whatever numbers you want to throw out about guns there are worse numbers that could have been stopped by lawful use of a gun.

And I would still love/hate to see the case of a civilian defendant blindly opening fire on a crowd in self defense. To support your argument. I figured you gun grabbers would have that story bookmarked, but I havent found it.
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A new study found states with weaker gun laws have more mass shootings

"The study lines up with other research linking weaker laws and higher levels of gun ownership to more gun deaths."
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah not what I was asking about.

1. Pretty sure its unlawful to discharge guns like that around people but I dont know the local ordinances.
2. Not a case of them in a crowd defending themselves from another person.
3. Were you and your kids on a ride along with Hurrican Irma? Only way this article would be relevant. And would answer number 2 and number 1.
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Check out the next 3 articles I posted. The 1st one was more of just poking fun that all gun owners are "sensible" people.
 
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bnhunt said:
Guns don't offer protection – whatever the National Rifle Association says

"They compared 677 cases in which people were injured in a shooting incident with 684 people living in the same area that had not suffered a gun injury. The researchers matched these "controls" for age, race and gender. They found that those with firearms were about 4.5 times more likely to be shot than those who did not carry, utterly belying this oft repeated mantra."
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"within the city of Philadelphia, PA" and didn't differentiate between legally carrying or not
 
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bnhunt said:
Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. ...

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault."
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I would love to see what those adjustments were.

Also funny that they choose an area with relatively high amounts of gun crimes to do their study. I call that weighting the scales.

And without knowing the specifics of those shootings they are likely cherry picking. Most shootings happen between gangs. Where yes both are likely to be armed. But I would think the better causation than guns would be the nature of their gangs or why the shootings happened.

This is probably why you want 100 million dollars to look into these events. So you can arrange the numbers to suit your arguments. Keep leaning into the wind there Weather Channel.
 
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bnhunt said:
Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. ...

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault."
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Still waiting for all those links to actual cases where "cross fire" injured/killed all those children.
I have a feeling I will be waiting for a very long time, if that is what you have been able to dig up in response to the original challenge.

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives | Gun Owners of America

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

How often are guns used to stop crimes?

12 Times Lawful Gun Owners Defended Themselves and Others
 
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bnhunt said:
Check out the next 3 articles I posted. The 1st one was more of just poking fun that all gun owners are "sensible" people.
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People are idiots. I am all for stopping people. Just not guns. One is a living breathing thing. The other is a tool. No sense in punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.

Your first two articles are based on the same study. You dont get to count the basket twice because there are two different camera angles.
 
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bnhunt said:
Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. ...

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault."
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Any time someone wants me to read an article trying to explain why I don’t need my 2a , and they start out with .. “ AFTER ADJUSTMENTS”, it’s dead to me .
 
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bnhunt said:
Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. ...

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault."
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You’ll just love this...

Front Matter | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
 
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