WaPo vindicates Trump, acknowledges CDC/FDA failures for six weeks

[NCFisher]

Fact check: Trump tries to erase the memory of him downplaying the coronavirus - CNNPolitics
From January until last week, Trump consistently minimized the risk the coronavirus posed to the country. He claimed to have the virus under "control," that the number of US cases would go "down, not up," that the virus might "disappear" through a "miracle" or something of the sort, that the virus might well vanish by April with the warmer weather, that the media and Democrats were overhyping the situation, and that "this is their new hoax," leaving it unclear whether he was calling the virus itself a hoax. (He later said he was talking about Democrats' coronavirus-related criticism, not the virus.) BULL$HIT.

CNN has gotten what right in 3.5 years of covering Trump? Right - nothing.
But now - NOW - we're to listen to them, right? Only the dullest of the dull still reference CNN.

The WaPo and NYT reports are damning indictments of the CDC and FDA's institutional slothfulness; the "experts" have no clothes. And yet Trump is being supremely presidential, taking the arrows that rightfully would perforate their hides.

It wasn't "unclear" to anyone with a post-elementary education. The left STILL claims he called neo-Nazis "fine people". Play your shitety little game of trying to contort to ridiculousness, any comment made by Trump. Meanwhile, Obama strangles babies onstage and tosses them into a basket, and we're to ask "Just what did those damn babies do to him!!"

It's laughable, and I'm not playing along.

 

[Purple Tiger]

CNN has gotten what right in 3.5 years of covering Trump? Right - nothing.
But now - NOW - we're to listen to them, right? Only the dullest of the dull still reference CNN.

The WaPo and NYT reports are damning indictments of the CDC and FDA's institutional slothfulness; the "experts" have no clothes. And yet Trump is being supremely presidential, taking the arrows that rightfully would perforate their hides.

It wasn't "unclear" to anyone with a post-elementary education. The left STILL claims he called neo-Nazis "fine people". Play your shitety little game of trying to contort to ridiculousness, any comment made by Trump. Meanwhile, Obama strangles babies onstage and tosses them into a basket, and we're to ask "Just what did those damn babies do to him!!"

It's laughable, and I'm not playing along.

 

[NCFisher]

I dont understand what the big deal about having a pep talk after the game is over? How is a test kit going to help me if I've already contracted the virus and come in contact with people? Is the expectation that the person might be responsible and self-quarantine themselves?

Outside of that flimsy hope, what is the big deal about having test kits?... which oh by the way they are now finding that the tests are giving false positives?

Surely you understand the value of containment and the role testing would play in that?? This isn't some random game a bunch of people less intelligent than yourself decided to play. We don't sit back and say "welp, it's here. May as well let itself burn through the population and not try to minimize transmission".

To term it "flimsy hope", you're under the burden of stating what is the percentage of false positives/negatives and make the case it renders testing futile.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Surely you understand the value of containment and the role testing would play in that?? This isn't some random game a bunch of people less intelligent than yourself decided to play. We don't sit back and say "welp, it's here. May as well let itself burn through the population and not try to minimize transmission".

To term it "flimsy hope", you're under the burden of stating what is the percentage of false positives/negatives and make the case it renders testing futile.

What good is the damn test if it is not reliable... one way or the other? If it gives false positives or false clears, what good is that? You're just making people congregate together that may or may not be infected at some centralized location.

 

[NCFisher]

A child's response when he has no argument. Just yell "poopy-head" next time.

Put some intellectual weight on and come back when you can articulate an argument, thanks.

 

[NCFisher]

What good is the damn test if it is not reliable... one way or the other? If it gives false positives or false clears, what good is that? You're just making people congregate together that may or may not be infected at some centralized location.

Again, to what percentage is it not reliable if at all?
You're making the claim. I don't bear the burden of proving your negative, false or positive.

If you stating you want to know the efficacy of these tests, I'm with you.

 

[NCFisher]

Fast forward to about 3:40 minutes in. Rally in South Carolina.....donald trump said coronavirus is the Democrats new hoax. How is that mischaracterizing what he said. He downplayed the entire ordeal. All of his comments are on video. Why do you try to do mental gymnastics to take responsibility off of this man child?!

Hilarious. The hosts and their man in the field both tell you that Trump is stating Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus and calling it their new hoax.

Thanks for the link! LMAO

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

CNN has gotten what right in 3.5 years of covering Trump? Right - nothing.
But now - NOW - we're to listen to them, right? Only the dullest of the dull still reference CNN.

The WaPo and NYT reports are damning indictments of the CDC and FDA's institutional slothfulness; the "experts" have no clothes. And yet Trump is being supremely presidential, taking the arrows that rightfully would perforate their hides.

It wasn't "unclear" to anyone with a post-elementary education. The left STILL claims he called neo-Nazis "fine people". Play your shitety little game of trying to contort to ridiculousness, any comment made by Trump. Meanwhile, Obama strangles babies onstage and tosses them into a basket, and we're to ask "Just what did those damn babies do to him!!"

It's laughable, and I'm not playing along.

I posted the clip of him saying it....and to further bolster the claim, fox news and other conservative sites fell in line with those talking points. Hannity, Ingraham, and the judge lady. The WH and fox news always projects the same message. You dont have to look at CNN, go back and listen to fox news.

 

[NCFisher]

I posted the clip of him saying it....and to further bolster the claim, fox news and other conservative sites fell in line with those talking points. Hannity, Ingraham, and the judge lady. The WH and fox news always projects the same message. You dont have to look at CNN, go back and listen to fox news.

And I replied:
Hilarious. The hosts and their man in the field both tell you that Trump is stating Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus and calling it their new hoax.

Thanks for the link! LMAO

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

And I replied:
Hilarious. The hosts and their man in the field both tell you that Trump is stating Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus and calling it their new hoax.

Thanks for the link! LMAO

That's revisionist history after he was drug over the coals. Keep twisting....
Apparently we need a donald translator. because everything he says actually means something totally different. He said it until he tells us he didn't. People like you be like , he said it but he meant something else.

 

[tvolsfan]

That's revisionist history after he was drug over the coals. Keep twisting....
Apparently we need a donald translator. because everything he says actually means something totally different. He said it until he tells us he didn't. People like you be like , he said it but he meant something else.

It’s what happens when you’re dealing with a cult. He can say two different, contradictory things and a significant portion of his supporters would believe he was telling the truth both times.

 

[0nelilreb]

It’s what happens when you’re dealing with a cult. He can say two different, contradictory things and a significant portion of his supporters would believe he was telling the truth both times.

It’s also what happens when one side and their media spends three years , 24/7 trying to turn the populous against a president , eventually it backfires and the crying wolf game ends from lack of belief .

 

[NCFisher]

Not at all.

Now are you declining to answer?

Do I 'think' (believing is for non-thinkers) we have an unelected bureaucracy that either:

A) Viewed Trump as such an affront to the office - or threat to them and/or the country - that they took it upon themselves to destroy his candidacy and then presidency?
B) Convinced themselves through a series of events consisting mostly of bias confirmation and based upon a oppo research fantasy, that Trump actually was a Russian conspiracist and then set out to destroy his candidacy and presidency?

And that the FBI knew in Jan 2017 they had no case when Steele's source said "ah, no, man; I never said that. Or that, Nah...not that either." and that Steele had impugned his own source? And that in May, a freshly appointed Mueller asked "Okay guys, show me all the juicy Russia shite....ah...whaddya mean there isn't any?" and knew the first week there was no case?

Do I think the FBI was told at least twice by CIA that Page was an asset and they were barking up the wrong tree, but FBI still falsified a FISA request stating he wasn't? Do I think Judge Boasberg just stated FBI lied repeatedly in the FISA applications which invalidated the warrants, since there was no predication? Do I think IG Horowitz said "no one came out and said "yeah, I hate the mf'er and that's why I/we went after him", but at the same time there are no reasonable explanations for the laundry list of improprieties"?

Do I think - and do we know - the FBI and Mueller investigations were baseless because the results speak for themself?

Oh, hell yes, I think exactly that.

The question is, how can you not?
And why do you think that changing the subject is a saavy move that isn't blatantly obvious?

I'll take a wild guess that you're going to be speechless and avoid directly any point made.

 

[NCFisher]

Fact check: Trump tries to erase the memory of him downplaying the coronavirus - CNNPolitics
From January until last week, Trump consistently minimized the risk the coronavirus posed to the country. He claimed to have the virus under "control," that the number of US cases would go "down, not up," that the virus might "disappear" through a "miracle" or something of the sort, that the virus might well vanish by April with the warmer weather, that the media and Democrats were overhyping the situation, and that "this is their new hoax," leaving it unclear whether he was calling the virus itself a hoax. (He later said he was talking about Democrats' coronavirus-related criticism, not the virus.)

TRUMP IS FULL OF BULL$HIT. SO IS NC.

So frustrated to prove called the virus a hoax, they keep posting the very evidence that Trump was referring to Democrats politicizing it. You did actually watch the video and see the hosts and the guy in the field saying exactly that, right?

You folks are soooo cute!

 

[NCFisher]

That's revisionist history after he was drug over the coals. Keep twisting....
Apparently we need a donald translator. because everything he says actually means something totally different. He said it until he tells us he didn't. People like you be like , he said it but he meant something else.

BS - it's your damned video with both the studio hosts and field correspondent stating just that: "The president claiming Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, and that it is their new hoax"

If that's revisionist history, you should be more intelligent than to post 'evidence' which discredits your own argument.
In essence, I'm translating you, to you.

Ah, the hilarity!

 

[tvolsfan]

Do I 'think' (believing is for non-thinkers) we have an unelected bureaucracy that either:

A) Viewed Trump as such an affront to the office - or threat to them and/or the country - that they took it upon themselves to destroy his candidacy and then presidency?
B) Convinced themselves through a series of events consisting mostly of bias confirmation and based upon a oppo research fantasy, that Trump actually was a Russian conspiracist and then set out to destroy his candidacy and presidency?

And that the FBI knew in Jan 2017 they had no case when Steele's source said "ah, no, man; I never said that. Or that, Nah...not that either." and that Steele had impugned his own source? And that in May, a freshly appointed Mueller asked "Okay guys, show me all the juicy Russia shite....ah...whaddya mean there isn't any?" and knew the first week there was no case?

Do I think the FBI was told at least twice by CIA that Page was an asset and they were barking up the wrong tree, but FBI still falsified a FISA request stating he wasn't? Do I think Judge Boasberg just stated FBI lied repeatedly in the FISA applications which invalidated the warrants, since there was no predication? Do I think IG Horowitz said "no one came out and said "yeah, I hate the mf'er and that's why I/we went after him", but at the same time there are no reasonable explanations for the laundry list of improprieties"?

Do I think - and do we know - the FBI and Mueller investigations were baseless because the results speak for themself?

Oh, hell yes, I think exactly that.

The question is, how can you not?
And why do you think that changing the subject is a saavy move that isn't blatantly obvious?

I'll take a wild guess that you're going to be speechless and avoid directly any point made.

A simple yes would have sufficed. And I just wanted you on record for future reference.

As far as my position, of course there is no deep state. It's the ravings of a dumb criminal trying to deflect criticism.

 

[NCFisher]

WaPo is back on the menu now?

I use WaPo and NYT frequently for the stuttering, stammering effect it produces. It was likely a reluctant response to being scooped by Politico on Mar 6, and by Yahoo on Mar 11.

How testing failures allowed coronavirus to sweep the U.S.
After testing delays, US coronavirus cases surge past 1,000

To paraphrase, WaPo and NYT will always do the right thing after trying everything else.

 

[Rickyvol77]

The CDC and FDA said don't worry? Said it was a hoax? Nope, stop giving him a pass. Even now, he's going against the doctors and scientists. He's a full grown man. He's the president (an inept one) for gods sake. No one stopped him from accepting the WHO tests. Other countries did.....the problem is there was an opportunity for someone to make money. Republicans always put money before people.

He didn’t say the virus was a hoax. Do you ever fact check anything?

 

[NCFisher]

A simple yes would have sufficed. And I just wanted you on record for future reference.

As far as my position, of course there is no deep state. It's the ravings of a dumb criminal trying to deflect criticism.

I'm sure you do prefer a simple 'yes', then you're not forced to argue points that you can't.
Now, we both have a nice record for future reference, whatever than means...

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm sure you do prefer a simple 'yes', then you're not forced to argue points that you can't.
Now, we both have a nice record for future reference, whatever than means...

I'm admittedly not willing to spend much time arguing conspiracy theories.

 

[NCFisher]

I'm admittedly not willing to spend much time arguing conspiracy theories.

And yet you can't point to one instance of conspiracy theory in my reply.

I see why you prefer yes or no answers.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Uhm, WaPo is making the case - the obvious one I've been arguing - that CDC and FDA bureaucracy, not Trump, is why we've had virtually no testing.

And while they won't come out and say it, they vindicate his private-public partnership.

This is a unicorn; if this ain't worth your time, you're reading the wrong stuff.

Nothing you have posted in your long-winded and pretentious drivel, changes the numerous times that Donald Trump publicly downplayed or tried to minimize the threat of the Coronavirus to the American people. Whether Trump thought he was just reducing the impact of a panic on the markets (they have crashed anyway) or not, Trump was engaging in dismissive rhetoric, such as this:

When asked in a television interview from Davos, Switzerland on January 22nd by CNBC's Joe Kernan:

"Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?" - CNBC's Joe Kernan

... and Trump responded with:

"No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine." - President Donald Trump

By this point, the seriousness of the virus was becoming clearer. It had spread from China to four other countries. China was starting to take drastic measures and was on the verge of closing off the city of Wuhan. President Donald Trump was well aware of this and yet, Trump remained publicly very dismissive of it becoming a pandemic.

Furthermore, in an interview with his buddy, Sean Hannity of Fox News on January 31st, Hannity asked Trump this question:

"Coronavirus" .... "How concerned are you?" - Sean Hannity, Fox News

and Trump responded with:

"Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. We have a tremendous relationship with China, which is a very positive thing. Getting along with China, getting along with Russia, getting along with these countries." - President Donald Trump

It should be noted, that Trump is now derisively referring to the Coronavirus as the "Chinese virus". So much for all of that goodwill with China, right? LOL.

Finally, I think the worst sign of weakness that Trump has displayed during this crisis was his pathetic attempt to shift scrutiny and scorn over to his predecessor, Barack Obama. Trump has tried to blame the shortage of Coronavirus test kits on a still as of yet unnamed rule or regulation implemented under the Obama Administration. The reality is that there was no formal document that Trump needed to rescind to allow labs to create their own coronavirus tests. Even if there had been, there was nothing to prevent the Trump Administration from removing it earlier in the outbreak, or prior to the outbreak. Trump has been President for 3 years now, after all. This was a sign of Trump's insecurity and it was pure weakness on his part. Trump made a gross miscalculation here by perceiving the Coronavirus to be a public relations threat to his re-election bid, rather than an existential threat to the nation. Trump is too egocentric and self-absorbed to be an effective leader.

 

[tvolsfan]

And yet you can't point to one instance of conspiracy theory in my reply.

I see why you prefer yes or no answers.

Your reply was a glorified diarrhea of right wing buzz words. I've seen the "arguments" (it's amazing this deep state fabricated an investigation without bothering to cook any evidence, but I guess it's a really incompetent deep state).

And no, failing to find sufficient evidence of Trump colluding with Russia does not prove the investigation was unfounded. At all. Especially considering what it did find about his subordinates and his son.

 

[tvolsfan]

How do Trumpkins try to square Trump claiming he considered this a pandemic long before it was a pandemic? Lie or delusion?

 

[BowlBrother85]

How do Trumpkins try to square Trump claiming he considered this a pandemic long before it was a pandemic? Lie or delusion?

Donald Trump's interview with Joe Kernan of CNBC on January 22nd makes it clear that is an outright lie.

Once again:

Joe Kernan: "Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?"

President Donald Trump: "No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

Any attempt now, to revise history is easily de-bunked by Trump's own words. Trump is on record on January 22nd saying the Coronavirus wouldn't become a pandemic and was completely under control. If Trump is saying that he saw this coming, he was either lying on January 22nd, or he is lying now. It really doesn't matter which one it is. He is a liar either way.