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05_never_again said:
Some experts, Scott Gottlieb in particular, is saying that he expects this thing to peak in late April and the number of new cases to really start declining this summer in response to what we're doing today. The social distancing in all likelihood will be loosened by that point, if not before then, which will lead to another spike in the fall. I'm starting to lean towards their being a high likelihood this interferes with football. Once the numbers start going down, people are really going to be stir crazy and it is going to be really hard to resist pressure to relax the social distancing.

If, and that's a big if, we get a vaccine by this fall, then it isn't all that big of a concern, but I wouldn't bank on that.

Nobody builds herd immunity doing what we're doing. We've made a choice (and that's exactly what this is, a choice) to social distance everyone (regardless of risk level) and blow up the economy for some indefinite period of time to maybe prevent it from spreading. Does it really seem that unreasonable to have high risk folks (the elderly, those in poor health, those with symptoms, etc.) and their caregivers stay out of harm's way, while everyone else just goes about their daily lives and if they get it, they get it? Younger, healthy people don't require hospital or doctors visits to get over this and it wouldn't overwhelm the system. It isn't like this thing has a 10% or 25% death rate among younger and healthy people.
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I've said this all along and I tend to get responses like I'm cool with old people dying. To me it's perfectly reasonable and your point about building herd immunity is a good one.
 
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rjd970 said:
I've said this all along and I tend to get responses like I'm cool with old people dying. To me it's perfectly reasonable and your point about building herd immunity is a good one.
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Not your fault that some don't have reading comprehension, or just choose to ignore certain points.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Oh I think we all know there will be some Democratic Congressmen looking to nail him to the cross for his delayed response to this.
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The Washington Post reported today that a Democrat Super Pac was going to spend $5 million on digital advertising attacking Trump's handling of the Coronavirus. They should spend their $5 million helping people.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
Just curious but....As of Monday, the number of cases in Italy was 31,506 with the number of deaths at 2,503. Unless there is something wrong with my calculator, that is a death rate of 7.944519 percent. Why such a high rate in Italy, more old folks???
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I'm not totally up on Italy but they have not handled it well. My understanding is that the outbreak (like the more deadly one in China) occurred in a densely populated area which made the spread exponential.

They also have a single payer/socialized system. That frequently means a shortage of resources and poor quality of care.

Just a glance at wikipedia's daily update seems to suggest countries with high population densities or having cities with high population densities are doing on the whole much worse.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
That would be my ideal solution but we all know that wouldn't fly.
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It also won't fly because most other countries (Netherlands being an exception, and it looked like the UK would be an exception there for a sec but they backtracked) are social distancing everyone regardless of risk level. In order for the herd immunity strategy to truly work globally, most countries in the world would have to do it. Nobody wants to be out on an "island" being the only one trying that strategy.

I've said this from day 1...public reaction to this virus is more in line with something that kills a far higher percentage of the general population at large, like 10% or more. It is worse than the flu, but for the elderly and people in poor health to begin with. Focus on those people and keep them out of harm's way, not necessarily mass social distancing.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
I will bet 100 Alex that we will won’t have college football this season
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Bite your tongue. I am going to watch our in season scrimmage, I mean, my Sooners beating your Vols come September.

Which does remind me, I got a reminder from the Sooner Club about renewing my tickets today lol. Life goes on I guess.
 
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Only_1_OK said:
Bite your tongue. I am going to watch our in season scrimmage, I mean, my Sooners beating your Vols come September.

Which does remind me, I got a reminder from the Sooner Club about renewing my tickets today lol. Life goes on I guess.
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I know you got a ticket for me, the Sooner Club said so!!
 
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Only_1_OK said:
Bite your tongue. I am going to watch our in season scrimmage, I mean, my Sooners beating your Vols come September.

Which does remind me, I got a reminder from the Sooner Club about renewing my tickets today lol. Life goes on I guess.
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We won’t have football for at least a year. This isn’t going away in the next 12 months without a vaccine.
 
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05_never_again said:
It also won't fly because most other countries (Netherlands being an exception, and it looked like the UK would be an exception there for a sec but they backtracked) are social distancing everyone regardless of risk level. In order for the herd immunity strategy to truly work globally, most countries in the world would have to do it. Nobody wants to be out on an "island" being the only one trying that strategy.

I've said this from day 1...public reaction to this virus is more in line with something that kills a far higher percentage of the general population at large, like 10% or more. It is worse than the flu, but for the elderly and people in poor health to begin with. Focus on those people and keep them out of harm's way, not necessarily mass social distancing.
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You do realize that the “poor health” part makes up a much larger part of the modern American population.
 
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Only_1_OK said:
Bite your tongue. I am going to watch our in season scrimmage, I mean, my Sooners beating your Vols come September.

Which does remind me, I got a reminder from the Sooner Club about renewing my tickets today lol. Life goes on I guess.
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You might want to get tested for this coronavirus. With those kind of delusions, I suspect you have a fever.
 
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newyorkvol said:
You do realize that the “poor health” part makes up a much larger part of the modern American population.
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Of course it does. I never said or suggested that the part of the population considered "high risk" was small. It would still affect a lot of people and negatively impact the economy, particularly because young and healthy people (think wage earners/impact the economy) who are caregivers to the elderly (mostly retirees) would need to isolate. Those folks would need to social distance too since they spend a bunch of time around high risk people.

But the high risk population is smaller than the number of people being affected now, which is pretty much everyone regardless of age or general health. The current policy is scorched earth - it doesn't differentiate whatsoever.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Ok. And you don’t see any gaps in that logic?
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No more so than the gaps in the assumptions you and others make. But again, for all you know it was Dr. Faucci but you assume not. I’m happy this subject interests you so. I’ve missed our little chats.
 
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05_never_again said:
Some experts, Scott Gottlieb in particular, is saying that he expects this thing to peak in late April and the number of new cases to really start declining this summer in response to what we're doing today. The social distancing in all likelihood will be loosened by that point, if not before then, which will lead to another spike in the fall. I'm starting to lean towards their being a high likelihood this interferes with football. Once the numbers start going down, people are really going to be stir crazy and it is going to be really hard to resist pressure to relax the social distancing.

If, and that's a big if, we get a vaccine by this fall, then it isn't all that big of a concern, but I wouldn't bank on that.

Nobody builds herd immunity doing what we're doing. We've made a choice (and that's exactly what this is, a choice) to social distance everyone (regardless of risk level) and blow up the economy for some indefinite period of time to maybe prevent it from spreading. Does it really seem that unreasonable to have high risk folks (the elderly, those in poor health, those with symptoms, etc.) and their caregivers stay out of harm's way, while everyone else just goes about their daily lives and if they get it, they get it? Younger, healthy people don't require hospital or doctors visits to get over this and it wouldn't overwhelm the system. It isn't like this thing has a 10% or 25% death rate among younger and healthy people.
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Many reasons to believe this. The staying in and hiding could very well lead to negative consequences.
 
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