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[UT_VOLS13]

NY Auto Show postponed due to coronavirus

 

[Orange_Crush]

FYI even 1.7% mortality is 17x as deadly as seasonal flu

Italy is full of old people. That's an elderly population. For comparison, mortality rate in Korea is 0.6%.

 

[OHvol40]

And yet 50 million+ US citizens contracted the flu this year, and it killed 18,000+ people. Just in the US.

Where’s the media frenzy?

We also have a vaccine to mitigate the effects of seasonal flu for at-risk populations.

 

[OHvol40]

Italy is full of old people. That's an elderly population. For comparison, mortality rate in Korea is 0.6%.

So, we should care less? I fail to see relevance.

 

[C-south]

Italy is full of old people. That's an elderly population. For comparison, mortality rate in Korea is 0.6%.

Maybe drinking embalming fluid helps.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

We also have a vaccine to mitigate the effects of seasonal flu for at-risk populations.

We have a vaccine to mitigate the effects of the seasonal flu and yet this year the flu has killed exponentially more people than the coronavirus.

That's interesting.

 

[rjd970]

We also have a vaccine to mitigate the effects of seasonal flu for at-risk populations.

And it still killed more people in the U.S. alone, then this thing will kill in the world in probably the next two months...then it will start to get warmer and presumably slow.

Looking at the data out of China, if it is accurate, shows they have already started to turn the corner on this thing.

Look, I get you have a perspective on this that others may not. I can appreciate that. But it’s simply a narrow perspective and extremely focused perspective if you are “on the front lines”. You are probably seeing and hearing the worst of it. The global statistics are painting a very different, wide-ranging, and more complete picture.

 

[Burhead]

Italy is full of old people. That's an elderly population. For comparison, mortality rate in Korea is 0.6%.

They are pretty much testing everyone, putting pretty much every positive case into isolation, and canceling gatherings and telling people to stay home. For the most part the people are following government requests to stay home. Now my question is will average Americans agree to stay home if asked? I'm not sure, heck you have people already going out and doing things after being told to self-isolate.

 

[Orange_Crush]

So, we should care less? I fail to see relevance.

Are you really this dense? Seriously. What is wrong with you?

You were debating mortality rate compared to the flu's mortality rate. I told you why the mortality rate in Italy is so relatively high. What you talking about with "care less" about them?

I'm serious. What is wrong with you?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I’m on the front lines of this. I don’t have the luxury of belief, I have to deal in facts.

My best friend is as well. He says there is absolutely no reason to panic. He was just on a conference call with the CDC and John Hopkins 2 days ago. He was telling me that its not as bad as the media wants people to believe. The media is gaslighting the public and unfortunately the public is stupid enough to believe whatever the media spews out.

 

[Burhead]

And it still killed more people in the U.S. alone, then this thing will kill in the world in probably the next two months...then it will start to get warmer and presumably slow.

Looking at the data out of China, if it is accurate, shows they have already started to turn the corner on this thing.

Look, I get you have a perspective on this that others may not. I can appreciate that. But it’s simply a narrow perspective and extremely focused perspective if you are “on the front lines”. You are probably seeing and hearing the worst of it. The global statistics are painting a very different, wide-ranging, and more complete picture.

It also took drastic, draconian measures to slow it. The real interesting part to me is if we'll see a 2nd wave once the vast majority of the lock downs throughout China have been lifted.

 

[OHvol40]

And it still killed more people in the U.S. alone, then this thing will kill in the world in probably the next two months when it starts to get warm.

Looking at the data out of China, if it is accurate, shows they have already started to turn the corner on this thing.

Look, I get you have a perspective on this that others may not. I can appreciate that. But it’s simply a narrow perspective and extremely focused perspective if you are “on the front lines”. You are probably seeing and hearing the worst of it. The global statistics are painting a very different, wide-ranging, and more complete picture.

And it still killed more people in the U.S. alone, then this thing will kill in the world in probably the next two months...then it will start to get warmer and presumably slow.

Looking at the data out of China, if it is accurate, shows they have already started to turn the corner on this thing.

Look, I get you have a perspective on this that others may not. I can appreciate that. But it’s simply a narrow perspective and extremely focused perspective if you are “on the front lines”. You are probably seeing and hearing the worst of it. The global statistics are painting a very different, wide-ranging, and more complete picture.

Global statistics are unreliable, including the US. No adequate testing, no adequate statistics. Who knows how this goes, I hope it’s as minor as you think.
I can tell you one thing, this is big enough that it is going to permanently change how we conduct healthcare, at least in this country.

 

[rjd970]

So, we should care less? I fail to see relevance.

Oh please.

We should care as much as we do with any other illness that affects the elderly more than other segments of the population. Of course we want to save every life and every life matters. The high number of deaths in Italy is directly proportional to the age of its population. Period.

 

[rjd970]

It also took drastic, draconian measures to slow it. The real interesting part to me is if we'll see a 2nd wave once the vast majority of the lock downs throughout China have been lifted.

The flip side is western governments are making information and safety protocols more public than what happened in China. We’ll see what effect that has on slowing it.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

We also have a vaccine to mitigate the effects of seasonal flu for at-risk populations.

The flu vaccine is not very effective.

 

[OHvol40]

My best friend is as well. He says there is absolutely no reason to panic. He was just on a conference call with the CDC and John Hopkins 2 days ago. He was telling me that its not as bad as the media wants people to believe. The media is gaslighting the public and unfortunately the public is stupid enough to believe whatever the media spews out.

It’s all relative when you insert opinions on severity, but no matter your perspective this is not a “nothing burger” as was stated earlier. It is certainly not “just the flu” as I’ve seen many people hint at. It’s not going to be an extinction level event, but this is a serious threat to a lot of Americans and should be treated as such.

 

[OHvol40]

The flu vaccine is not very effective.

Sometimes.

 

[Coug]

How the Federal Government/FDA delayed testing.

‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response

 

[Burhead]

The flip side is western governments are making information and safety protocols more public than what happened in China. We’ll see what effect that has on slowing it.

That requires everyone following strict health and hygiene practices. My faith in humanity doesn't give me much optimism in that regard.

 

[rjd970]

It’s all relative when you insert opinions on severity, but no matter your perspective this is not a “nothing burger” as was stated earlier. It is certainly not “just the flu” as I’ve seen many people hint at. It’s not going to be an extinction level event, but this is a serious threat to a lot of Americans and should be treated as such.

According to the numbers, I’m more likely to get the Flu, and therefore by correlation, more likely to die from it.

This is a concerning threat. It is not a serious threat.

 

[volfanhill]

The flu vaccine is not very effective.

The Mayo Clinic disagrees

Flu shot: Your best bet for avoiding influenza

 

[rjd970]

I’m a healthy 40-something with no underlying medical conditions. I exercise regularly and eat healthy. I also take daily probiotics and vitamins.

I’m not hoping I get this virus, but if I do, I’m going to give daily updates on this board. If somebody offered me $10k to do a vaccine study I would be first in line to do it.

I think the sample size is large enough where I feel confident I can get over this thing with a week of bedrest and the OTC stuff sitting in my medicine cabinet right now.

 

[OHvol40]

According to the numbers, I’m more likely to get the Flu, and therefore by correlation, more likely to die from it.

This is a concerning threat. It is not a serious threat.

First, as has been stated, you are likely somewhere between 10x-40x more likely to die from this illness than seasonal flu, so based on that fact alone they are not comparable. So just stop acting like they’re the same. Those just seem like numbers to you, but they’re actual people who are actually sick and we’re dealing with the likelihood that they survive the illness.

Second, I don’t understand the overwhelming need to downplay a real threat. Who are you protecting with this line?

 

[rjd970]

First, as has been stated, you are likely somewhere between 10x-40x more likely to die from this illness than seasonal flu, so based on that fact alone they are not comparable. So just stop acting like they’re the same. Those just seem like numbers to you, but they’re actual people who are actually sick and we’re dealing with the likelihood that they survive the illness.

Second, I don’t understand the overwhelming need to downplay a real threat. Who are you protecting with this line?

I’m not downplaying the threat. I’m giving reasonable, data driven arguments for measured concern based on worldwide numbers.

I don’t understand your need ( or the media’s) to overplay it with nothing other than personal anecdotes. What agenda are you trying to push?

 

[OHvol40]

I’m not downplaying the threat. I’m giving reasonable, data driven arguments for measured concern based on worldwide numbers.

I don’t understand your need ( or the media’s) to overplay it with nothing other than personal anecdotes. What agenda are you trying to push?

I’m not overplaying anything. Have I suggested anything radical? Moreover, preparing for what this can be has much less deadly consequences than downplaying it to any degree.