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#5,776
BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
No we won’t. Work won’t be a issue if a million or more people die from this in this country
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I’ll take the million, it won’t get there but still.

And people have to work, got to have people generate power, work the water treatment plants, process/distribute food, make/sell medicines and a plethora of other essential positions. Shut all of them down for a month and your million dead will be a drop in the bucket.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Without real-time statistics on the severity of the spread of the virus we will always be two steps behind. If there are 3x more actual cases in an area than have been reported then we will be too late allocating resources and implementing safety measures. We also won’t know the real virulence and mortality rates.

Let me be clear, there are people near death in hospital ICUs today (3/8/20) who have to wait 1-2 days for test results because the specimens have to be shipped to the CDC.
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Addressing your last statement first. There is no cure, so how does waiting on the results of a test from the CDC help? It doesn't. Doctors are stuck treating the symptoms no matter what. If a cure existed, I could see your point. Since it doesn't, test results as it pertains to treatment is pointless.


Back to your first point. How do you convince people with mild to no symptoms to come in and be tested? Nevermind the impossible logistics of it, how do you convince people who think there's nothing wrong with them to get tested? You don't, which already means you'll never have accurate statistics on the overall spread. All you can really track is severe cases and mortality rate. As for allocating resources, what resources? There currently is no cure.

Is it helpful to be able to confirm with tests? Yes. Is it absolutely necessary? No. I know the mathematicians out there love their statistics, but statistics don't do much for an illness with no cure. I honestly believe this testing thing is getting blown way out of proportion. There are far more important issues with this disease, starting with finding a proper treatment, cure, or vaccine. If and when that happens, we can bitch about inadequate testing. Until then, I don't see the point.
 
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hog88 said:
I’ll take the million, it won’t get there but still.

And people have to work, got to have people generate power, work the water treatment plants, process/distribute food, make/sell medicines and a plethora of other essential positions. Shut all of them down for a month and your million dead will be a drop in the bucket.
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All those things happen by magic. How can you not know that????
 
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hog88 said:
I’ll take the million, it won’t get there but still.

And people have to work, got to have people generate power, work the water treatment plants, process/distribute food, make/sell medicines and a plethora of other essential positions. Shut all of them down for a month and your million dead will be a drop in the bucket.
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And no one will care about Covid 19
 
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Burhead said:
Which is why I've said there will be negative effects for both options. We let it simply go unchecked and we have a lot of dead, people will want someone to be held accountable for it.
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Can anyone say with a straight face that the government is letting this go unchecked?
 
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#5,784
hog88 said:
I’ll take the million, it won’t get there but still.

And people have to work, got to have people generate power, work the water treatment plants, process/distribute food, make/sell medicines and a plethora of other essential positions. Shut all of them down for a month and your million dead will be a drop in the bucket.
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You just answered all the questions regarding why folks are buying specific items in quantity.
In my planning I took into account the potential for widespread infection and the ramifications it could have on power, water, food supplies, etc. I could sit and not leave my house for several months. Power goes down, I got that covered although I’d somewhat miss surfing the net. Water shortage, covered. Food shortages due to supply chain issues, covered including copious amount of TP even if I’m using a camp potty.🤣
 
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vols40 said:
Can anyone say with a straight face that the government is letting this go unchecked?
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To a degree, absolutely. How do you really keep a virus in check? You don't. The government cannot do the impossible, so blaming them for that is ignorant. The proper question is are they doing enough. Without unfettered access to everything they are doing, which we aren't going to get, who really knows? People are guessing, and people who dislike Trump to begin with are making guesses to make him look bad. And maybe he is screwing up, but no one knows that with certainty, no matter their opinion.
 
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#5,787
Weezer said:
Addressing your last statement first. There is no cure, so how does waiting on the results of a test from the CDC help? It doesn't. Doctors are stuck treating the symptoms no matter what. If a cure existed, I could see your point. Since it doesn't, test results as it pertains to treatment is pointless.


Back to your first point. How do you convince people with mild to no symptoms to come in and be tested? Nevermind the impossible logistics of it, how do you convince people who think there's nothing wrong with them to get tested? You don't, which already means you'll never have accurate statistics on the overall spread. All you can really track is severe cases and mortality rate. As for allocating resources, what resources? There currently is no cure.

Is it helpful to be able to confirm with tests? Yes. Is it absolutely necessary? No. I know the mathematicians out there love their statistics, but statistics don't do much for an illness with no cure. I honestly believe this testing thing is getting blown way out of proportion. There are far more important issues with this disease, starting with finding a proper treatment, cure, or vaccine. If and when that happens, we can bitch about inadequate testing. Until then, I don't see the point.
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You obviously under-value information gathering and preparedness... good thing our military doesn’t take the same stance. How many cents of every one of your tax dollars go into preparedness and information gathering if you had to guess? This is no different.

We must quickly make policy decisions to mitigate the spread of the virus based on real time numbers, but that can’t happen without effective testing protocol which we should have been ready to implement a long time ago... but we’re still waiting.

Treatment isn’t the issue, mitigating the spread through protective measures, isolation, and quarantine (if necessary) is. If you’re late to isolate a patient in a healthcare setting because testing isn’t readily available then you may have wasted enough time to infect the rest of your patient population unnecessarily. This isn’t a radical or difficult concept.
 
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#5,789
I highly encourage everyone to stay objective and to do their best not to obtain information about the outbreak from any biased news source.

Politicizing this virus is dangerous. There are plenty of people that would tell you that it’s an apocalypse for their own gain, and those that would tell you it’s nothing to worry about for their own gain.

Make your own informed decision by being informed.

Here is the report of the WHO last week who sent 25 investigators into China. I know it’s long and you probably won’t read it, but I feel it’s part of my social responsibility to have tried to share

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Remember, a virus doesn’t care what your political beliefs are. Don’t let this situation be influenced by personal or political bias.

Information that comes directly from Italy or China may be more reliable than information out of the US right now because their information doesn’t have spin intended for a US audience.

Edit: and obviously I don’t mean that state controlled media in China is reliable. I mean information that comes from the country, but not state media. Such as the WHO report I linked above.
 
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I think better sanitary measures should be taken in nursing homes. I think in Washington State it was running rampant in a nursing home killing elderly people.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I highly encourage everyone to stay objective and to do their best not to obtain information about the outbreak from any biased news source.

Politicizing this virus is dangerous. There are plenty of people that would tell you that it’s an apocalypse for their own gain, and those that would tell you it’s nothing to worry about for their own gain.

Make your own informed decision by being informed.

Here is the report of the WHO last week who sent 25 investigators into China. I know it’s long and you probably won’t read it, but I feel it’s part of my social responsibility to have tried to share

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Remember, a virus doesn’t care what your political beliefs are. Don’t let this situation be influenced by personal or political bias.

Information that comes directly from Italy or China may be more reliable than information out of the US right now because their information doesn’t have spin intended for a US audience.
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Laughable to think China is n any way being honest at anytime
 
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#5,794
omghulkhands said:
I highly encourage everyone to stay objective and to do their best not to obtain information about the outbreak from any biased news source.

Politicizing this virus is dangerous. There are plenty of people that would tell you that it’s an apocalypse for their own gain, and those that would tell you it’s nothing to worry about for their own gain.

Make your own informed decision by being informed.

Here is the report of the WHO last week who sent 25 investigators into China. I know it’s long and you probably won’t read it, but I feel it’s part of my social responsibility to have tried to share

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Remember, a virus doesn’t care what your political beliefs are. Don’t let this situation be influenced by personal or political bias.

Information that comes directly from Italy or China may be more reliable than information out of the US right now because their information doesn’t have spin intended for a US audience.
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Agree, we need objective information. It’s a shame we can’t get it from our leaders. The problem with Italian or Chinese coverage is those places are on different continents.

Listen to US healthcare professionals and what they are telling you no matter the outlet.
 
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#5,796
Weezer said:
Addressing your last statement first. There is no cure, so how does waiting on the results of a test from the CDC help? It doesn't. Doctors are stuck treating the symptoms no matter what. If a cure existed, I could see your point. Since it doesn't, test results as it pertains to treatment is pointless.


Back to your first point. How do you convince people with mild to no symptoms to come in and be tested? Nevermind the impossible logistics of it, how do you convince people who think there's nothing wrong with them to get tested? You don't, which already means you'll never have accurate statistics on the overall spread. All you can really track is severe cases and mortality rate. As for allocating resources, what resources? There currently is no cure.

Is it helpful to be able to confirm with tests? Yes. Is it absolutely necessary? No. I know the mathematicians out there love their statistics, but statistics don't do much for an illness with no cure. I honestly believe this testing thing is getting blown way out of proportion. There are far more important issues with this disease, starting with finding a proper treatment, cure, or vaccine. If and when that happens, we can bitch about inadequate testing. Until then, I don't see the point.
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As far as testing goes, yes. It’s essential. When someone goes to the doctor or hospital complaining about a fever or respiratory issues, they need to be tested in order to determine whether or not they have it. This allows medical personnel to know whether or not the person needs to be quarantined. It also lets them know whether the people in close contact with the person need to be tested. Without knowing, that person’s family members would continue to go to work/school and continue to spread the virus.
 
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#5,798
vols40 said:
Laughable to think China is n any way being honest at anytime
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I don’t mean information coming from state media there, but information coming out of the country. There is a major difference.

For instance, we know as a fact that a country with a terrible history of human rights that prioritizes economic success over all else quarantined large parts of its country for weeks, destabilizing it’s economy.

Wuhan will stay quarantined until At least the end of this month or longer And in a very draconian fashion where’s you can’t leave your home under penalty of law more than once per week. And this isn’t s small place. It’s millions and millions of people

It begs the question...why? Why would they take such action?

Italy has just quarantined 13 million people in its most economically successful section of the country.

Ultimately, there is a philosophical question. Are the lives of hundreds of thousands of people more valuable than destabilizing an economy?

It’s a question governments are discussing behind closed doors, and making decisions about. I don’t know what the correct answer to that dilemma is.

I can’t tell you what’s the right or wrong thing to do. I don’t know or pretend to know.

But I can tell you that you should attempt to not expose yourself or others to the virus if you can. By not being a patient zero, you can save lives.
 
#5,800
#5,800
We've known for decades this was coming yet we are not really prepared for it. No surprise there but that's actually the good news. The bad news there may be something much worse just on the horizon.
 
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