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utvols88 said:
This is false. He didnt say that. Quit being dishonest.
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Fine, he said they CAN go to work. Still incredibly irresponsible thing for him to say.


Hes allowed to have an opinion AND presented it as such. Hes also not wrong
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OH MY GOD, NO !!!!!!! NO, NO, NO, NO, and 1,000 more times NO!!!

He is the President. He does not spout guesses about something like this. The correct thing to say is, this is the number of confirmed cases, this is the number of deaths. It is too early to establish a fatality rate moving forward because the number of actual cases may be much larger. And we do not know how different health care systems will respond.

There is no REMOTELY responsible justification for him to have said what he did. The man is either an imbecile, or an imbecile. Take your pick.

conjecture. Also, minimizing it or trying to prevent mass panic?
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See above. All he has to do is give ACCURATE facts. Honestly, is that too much to ask?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Classic Trump--he starts out by saying something that's kind of true, but then he keeps rambling on, straying further and further from what he first said, that by the end you really don't know what his point was.
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Another example of "Classic Trump": He will blame Barack Obama for something/anything while trying to handle a public relations problem. Trump attempted to blame the Obama administration for the coronavirus test kit shortage with this rambling statement yesterday:

"The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing and we undid that decision a few days ago so that testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion. That was a decision we disagreed with. I don't think we would have made it, but for some reason it was made. But we've undone that decision." - President Donald Trump

It is not clear what decision Trump was referring to. Health experts and veterans of the government during Barack Obama's presidency said they were unaware of any policy or rule changes during the administration that would have affected the way the Food and Drug Administration approved tests during the current crisis. Also, even if there had been, why didn't the Trump administration make these "changes" during its first three years in office? Trump has a clear preoccupation with Obama, and such a need to deflect that he will make stuff up. This is not strong leadership.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
FYI: yesterday's task force was very clear in its praise for the administration's rapid response to the threat. They specifically stated that the travel restrictions have delayed and limited the spread to and through the US.

I'm sure you know better, though.
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Task force lead by whom?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fine, he said they CAN go to work. Still incredibly irresponsible thing for him to say.
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Hes talking about people that have a mild case would go to work because the symptoms are mild. Hes not suggesting they go to work nor is he saying they can go to work. It's pretty clear. Why do I have to explain this to you, an alleged adult?




OH MY GOD, NO !!!!!!! NO, NO, NO, NO, and 1,000 more times NO!!!

He is the President. He does not spout guesses about something like this. The correct thing to say is, this is the number of confirmed cases, this is the number of deaths. It is too early to establish a fatality rate moving forward because the number of actual cases may be much larger. And we do not know how different health care systems will respond.

There is no REMOTELY responsible justification for him to have said what he did. The man is either an imbecile, or an imbecile. Take your pick.

See above. All he has to do is give ACCURATE facts. Honestly, is that too much to ask?
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There is always a better way of saying things when it comes to politicians. Calling him an imbecile is your opinion of him overall coming through, not reflective of this instance. You ask for honesty. I think we can all agree that the data used to create the "death rate" is incomplete, rendering the released rate, inaccurate. He presented it as his hunch and not as matter of fact. If he said it as fact, I would agree with you on your point. Fully.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Another example of "Classic Trump": He will blame Barack Obama for something/anything while trying to handle a public relations problem. Trump attempted to blame the Obama administration for the coronavirus test kit shortage with this rambling statement yesterday:

"The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing and we undid that decision a few days ago so that testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion. That was a decision we disagreed with. I don't think we would have made it, but for some reason it was made. But we've undone that decision." - President Donald Trump

It is not clear what Trump was referring to. Health experts and veterans of the government during Barack Obama's presidency said they were unaware of any policy or rule changes during the administration that would have affected the way the Food and Drug Administration approved tests during the current crisis. Also, even if there had been, why didn't the Trump administration makes these "changes" during its first three years in office? Trump has a clear preoccupation with Obama, and such a need to deflect that he will make stuff up. This is not strong leadership.
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I would like to know the specifics before calling it a weak move by Trump. What exactly was "undone". That needs to be answered.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
Trump is a fecking moron who didn’t have a good and prepared plan for this and is now trying to shrug off the WHO’s latest findings on the increased mortality rate. Many more lives in this country will be unfortunately lost from this because of him.
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I can’t believe he won in 2016 with ZERO plan for dealing with coronavirus. Sad!
 
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utvols88 said:
Hes talking about people that have a mild case would go to work because the symptoms are mild. Hes not suggesting they go to work nor is he saying they can go to work. It's pretty clear. Why do I have to explain this to you, an alleged adult?
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In context you know full well he said that people with the virus can go to work and still get better. In full context he was minimizing it.

As to your last comment, it is a pretty obvious deflection from what you know is a losing posiiton for you. Just admit he should not have said it and move on.



There is always a better way of saying things when it comes to politicians. Calling him an imbecile is your opinion of him overall coming through, not reflective of this instance. You ask for honesty. I think we can all agree that the data used to create the "death rate" is incomplete, rendering the released rate, inaccurate. He presented it as his hunch and not as matter of fact. If he said it as fact, I would agree with you on your point. Fully.
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What a cop out !! A politician could always say something better ????? Of course that's true. But come on, this is the President we are talking about. And he didn't make one or two minor errors here. This is part of a pattern of him over the last few weeks of constantly trying to minimize this, and using false statements of fact along the way, because he worries it will hurt him politically. Its just so obvious.

The man is just pathetic. Those that defend his statements should stop and just admit he is way off base and should at this point defer to the professionals.
 
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utvols88 said:
I would like to know the specifics before calling it a weak move by Trump. What exactly was "undone". That needs to be answered.
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Exactly... shouldn't he have clarified that at the time he made this statement? Nobody seems to know what he was talking about.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In context you know full well he said that people with the virus can go to work and still get better. In full context he was minimizing it.
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Did you even listen to it in full? The grand topic is underreporting, his point is that people will have mild symptoms, never call a doctor, never get reported, still go to work and even get better. That leads to his next point about the death rate being lower since that person was never reported as having it. This isn't rocket surgery.

As to your last comment, it is a pretty obvious deflection from what you know is a losing posiiton for you. Just admit he should not have said it and move on.

What a cop out !! A politician could always say something better ????? Of course that's true. But come on, this is the President we are tlaking about. And he didn't make one or two minor errors here. This is part of a pattern of him over the last few weeks of constantly trying to minimize this, and using false statements of fact along the way, because he worries it will hurt him politically. Its just so obvious.

The man is just pathetic. Those that defend his statements should stop and just admit he is way off base and should at this point defer to the professionals.
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None of what he said, as fact, was FACTUALLY incorrect. He could be wrong on the death rate maybe being a "fraction of a percent." You've either failed to listen to it or you are making up what he actually said and filling in what you think he meant using your preconceived opinion.

What he just said has been said for the last 200 pages by members of VN on both side in questioning the reported numbers one way or the other.
 
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Septic said:
You're right, he can't win but truthfully Trump should stay in his lane on this and defer the opinions to the people with letters behind their names. Politicians commenting on public health matters is a recipe for misinformation that will result in further distrust of the .gov.
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More people need further distrust in the .gov.
 
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allvol123 said:
Again, the comment on containment in relation to this virus is hysterically absurd.
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Maybe we are too far behind, but just because the numbers are large doesn’t mean they won’t level off and decline. It took a year but we got H1N1 under control.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
FYI: yesterday's task force was very clear in its praise for the administration's rapid response to the threat. They specifically stated that the travel restrictions have delayed and limited the spread to and through the US.

I'm sure you know better, though.
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Trump administration praises Trump administration. Not the first time...

The main problem is there should have been widespread testing available several weeks ago. Our health professionals had to beg the CDC for days to allow testing on our original cases in WA. Our governor had to beg the Trump administration to allow expanded testing. On Monday we were told there would be a million tests by tomorrow and now they’re walking that back. Pence says anyone can get tested, but there is still an abysmal shortage of test kits available even at the center of the outbreak. We likely have thousands of cases but still only hundreds of tests available locally. And then blaming Obama is really the icing on the cake
 
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BartW said:
Trump administration praises Trump administration. Not the first time...

The main problem is there should have been widespread testing available several weeks ago. Our health professionals had to beg the CDC for days to allow testing on our original cases in WA. Our governor had to beg the Trump administration to allow expanded testing. On Monday we were told there would be a million tests by tomorrow and now they’re walking that back. Pence says anyone can get tested, but there is still an abysmal shortage of test kits available even at the center of the outbreak. We likely have thousands of cases but still only hundreds of tests available locally. And then blaming Obama is really the icing on the cake
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Likely thousands of cases already and 11 deaths? Sounds good.

So why you so excited?
 
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allvol123 said:
Likely thousands of cases already and 11 deaths? Sounds good.

So why you so excited?
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I would like to see how the mortality rate is calculated for flu. Is it the percentage of people tested and found to have the flu that form the denominator or can they somehow extrapolate the number of those infected and then calculate mortality rate based on that?
 
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evillawyer said:
I would like to see how the mortality rate is calculated for flu. Is it the percentage of people tested and found to have the flu that form the denominator or can they somehow extrapolate the number of those infected and then calculate mortality rate based on that?
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I'm just interested in Bartw's clamoring here.

He pissed because of our lack of preparedness for an illness he claims thousands have and 11 people have died from.
 
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allvol123 said:
I'm just interested in Bartw's clamoring here.

He pissed because of our lack of preparedness for an illness he claims thousands have and 11 people have died from.
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I am more concerned over getting killed by a polar bear in Middle Tennessee than I am dying of this virus
 
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utvols88 said:
Hes talking about people that have a mild case would go to work because the symptoms are mild. Hes not suggesting they go to work nor is he saying they can go to work. It's pretty clear. Why do I have to explain this to you, an alleged adult?





There is always a better way of saying things when it comes to politicians. Calling him an imbecile is your opinion of him overall coming through, not reflective of this instance. You ask for honesty. I think we can all agree that the data used to create the "death rate" is incomplete, rendering the released rate, inaccurate. He presented it as his hunch and not as matter of fact. If he said it as fact, I would agree with you on your point. Fully.
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It’s incredible that people are so bent on knocking Trump that they’ll twist something like this. It’s obvious he was just talking about the mortality rate with respect to cases that may have been undiagnosed.
 
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