2020 Presidential Race

[volfanhill]

Universal healthcare is taking away their healthcare?

It’s changing their health care. So yes it’s taking it away.

 

[82_VOL_83]

They’re complacent, not happy. I don’t think people care about who they send their money too, as long as they are fully covered. Unless they have this wierd obsession with Aetna or BCBS.

You know nothing about what you are talking about, nothing.

 

[Rickyvol77]

They’re complacent, not happy. I don’t think people care about who they send their money too, as long as they are fully covered. Unless they have this wierd obsession with Aetna or BCBS.

You are assigning feelings to others and you have no clue. Most normal people are likely completely happy with their insurance

 

[Sea Ray]

Let's project this for a moment. If everyone gets free healthcare, no deductibles, no co-pays, no paperwork...can you imagine what that'll do to our system? People will be going for every runny nose and endless checkups, tests etc. We don't have the doctors/hospitals to handle that. The wait times would be out of this world. Doctor's pay will go way down and they'll be working their butts off. Ditto for nurses and others in the field. It'd be a disaster. People will be begging for the old system.

My mother (on Medicare/gap plan) fell and broke her hip last summer. She was taken to the ER right away. X-rayed, admitted and had the surgery 24 hrs later. You think it'd happen like that under Bernie's plan? Hell no. This is why many of us want a private option. In case his plan screws this thing up, I want another way to go

 

[Rickyvol77]

Let's project this for a moment. If everyone gets free healthcare, no deductibles, no co-pays, no paperwork...can you imagine what that'll do to our system? People will be going for every runny nose and endless checkups, tests etc. We don't have the doctors/hospitals to handle that. The wait times would be out of this world. Doctor's pay will go way down and they'll be working their butts off. Ditto for nurses and others in the field. It'd be a disaster. People will be begging for the old system.

My mother (on Medicare/gap plan) fell and broke her hip last summer. She was taken to the ER right away. X-rayed, admitted and had the surgery 24 hrs later. You think it'd happen like that under Bernie's plan? Hell no. This is why many of us want a private option. In case his plan screws this thing up, I want another way to go

Correct, not to mention the additional government regulations like the ones CMS created that helped fuel the opioid crisis to being with. There are several reasons that hospitals, physicians and nurses by far are against “universal healthcare”. They know what disasters it would cause

 

[Sea Ray]

There is a reason why other western countries don't offer "free" healthcare. It generally comes with deductibles/co-pays. Even with that, there are big problems. It's be an absolute disaster on so many levels to do what Bernie and Liz want

 

[norrislakevol]

Let's project this for a moment. If everyone gets free healthcare, no deductibles, no co-pays, no paperwork...can you imagine what that'll do to our system? People will be going for every runny nose and endless checkups, tests etc. We don't have the doctors/hospitals to handle that. The wait times would be out of this world. Doctor's pay will go way down and they'll be working their butts off. Ditto for nurses and others in the field. It'd be a disaster. People will be begging for the old system.

My mother (on Medicare/gap plan) fell and broke her hip last summer. She was taken to the ER right away. X-rayed, admitted and had the surgery 24 hrs later. You think it'd happen like that under Bernie's plan? Hell no. This is why many of us want a private option. In case his plan screws this thing up, I want another way to go

Yep. Just look at England. The waits are outrageous and the quality of care has gone down.

 

[37L1]

I'm of the belief that when this is put out in a nation the size of ours, it will be the VA multiplied.

 

[0nelilreb]

Yep. Just look at England. The waits are outrageous and the quality of care has gone down.

I have a buddy in another forum from the U.K. , he is always on me about the U.S. not having free health care . When I try to hit him up with links or facts about their free health care system he tells me that he doesn’t have that garbage , his is through private insurance and the free crap is for poor people that can’t come up with the good insurance. Smh

 

[Orangeburst]

I have a buddy in another forum...

Cheater.

 

[0nelilreb]

Cheater.

A multinational chat is fun . We give each other sh!t all the time . He was wearing me out over Trump until they elected Boris Johnson . Now he’s oddly quite . Lol

 

[newyorkvol]

The cheapest solution will always be fee for service, direct patient to provider payments, because it completely cuts out the “middle man.” But that is not realistic for many reasons. So there needs to be a “middle man” to help ease the cost to the individual, bit by introducing that there is also another layer of cost automatically built in. The two major “middle men” are private insurers or government. My simple question is....who do you trust more to be that middle man? Our government or the private sector?

 

[luthervol]

I have a buddy in another forum from the U.K. , he is always on me about the U.S. not having free health care . When I try to hit him up with links or facts about their free health care system he tells me that he doesn’t have that garbage , his is through private insurance and the free crap is for poor people that can’t carrots the good insurance. Smh

So the poor have "free" health care and if you are not poor, you are free to buy private insurance?????
Yeah, that really sounds like a horrible system.
And to think, their cost per capita is about half of ours and their life expectancy is higher. The horrors!!!!!!

 

[Orangeburst]

A multinational chat is fun . We give each other sh!t all the time .

I bet that is rather fun and educational. You talk about all sorts of topics or mostly politics?

 

[0nelilreb]

So the poor have free health care and if you are not poor, you are free to buy private insurance?????
Yeah, that really sounds like a horrible system.
And to think, their cost per capita is about half of ours and their life expectancy is higher. The horrors!!!!!!

You missed the garbage comment . They have “ free health care “ that they get ripped having to pay taxes for and it’s garbage. He has the good insurance.. private . Sounds like something we are trying to install here . Higher taxes for all for junk insurance ran by the government .

 

[0nelilreb]

I bet that is rather fun and educational. You talk about all sorts of topics or mostly politics?

It’s a really interesting group , we ( the core ) have all been in this chat over 6 years . There’s no moderator and you have to have thick skin but it works out . We talk about everything in it . It’s a non PC chat . We actually talk politics the least over all but it can pop up at any time .

 

[luthervol]

You missed the garbage comment . They have “ free health care “ that they get ripped having to pay taxes for and it’s garbage. He has the good insurance.. private . Sounds like something we are trying to install here . Higher taxes for all for junk insurance ran by the government .

So how in the world is their per capita health care costs so much less than ours? Ours is twice as high than pretty much every country in the world. That's the elephant in the room that every debate tries to avoid.

 

[0nelilreb]

So how in the world is their per capita health care costs so much less than ours? Ours is twice as high than pretty much every country in the world. That's the elephant in the room that every debate tries to avoid.

Because we offer the best Drs. , some of best health care , some of the best equipment, some of the best diagnosis and cure . Not counting the fact that most of the R&D for everything comes from the U.S. . Until you find another country that you can compare that to , side by side , using the same metrics .. it’s all just propaganda.

 

[Sea Ray]

So how in the world is their per capita health care costs so much less than ours? Ours is twice as high than pretty much every country in the world. That's the elephant in the room that every debate tries to avoid.

Have you ever considered this?...

Maybe our healthcare is twice as good as anywhere else in the world?

 

[luthervol]

Because we offer the best Drs. , some of best health care , some of the best equipment, some of the best diagnosis and cure . Not counting the fact that most of the R&D for everything comes from the U.S. . Until you find another country that you can compare that to , side by side , using the same metrics .. it’s all just propaganda.

And that whole life expectancy thing.

 

[luthervol]

Have you ever considered this?...

Maybe our healthcare is twice as good as anywhere else in the world?

No, never.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Have you ever considered this?...

Maybe our healthcare is twice as good as anywhere else in the world?

Sometimes you have to use crayons & a coloring book in trying to explain simple things to loony liberals.

 

[0nelilreb]

And that whole life expectancy thing.

Yes about that . Google how likely you are to die in their system vs ours here in the U.S. Then take into account those life expectancies.. U.S- 79.6 vs U.K. - 80.9

 

[Sea Ray]

No, never.

Well then, we've identified your problem. You severely underestimate healthcare in this country.

No doubt we have healthcare issues...in fact I'd say that it's by far the #1 issue in 2020. We need to cut costs and premiums but people like you need to come to grips with how great we've got it so you don't screw it up

 

[Sea Ray]

And that whole life expectancy thing.

Life expectancy? Have you seen how many obese people we have in this country? There's only so much our doctors can do with that. Ditto for substance abuse. The former is likely due to worthless folks living off the welfare system typing onto message boards all day...