2020 Presidential Race

[0nelilreb]

Of course I am, just as you hope they do not.

To be perfectly honest and fair , I’m getting to the point that I just don’t care . Usually when I make it to that point , I turn to the “ I’d just as soon see the whole thing burn to the ground mode “ . We can always search through the ashes to see what’s left . We can call it a cleansing if you want . No spin , No gotcha’s , just straight up honesty .

 

[luthervol]

Based on your further post, I'm not. You're absolutely blaming her.

Blaming her for what? Going there with the specific intention of agitating a reaction that she could get on film and post to social media?
Yes, I am 100% saying that is exactly what she did.
Does that excuse the actions of the students, the very actions she was desperately hoping to get?
No it does not.

 

[Weezer]

Blaming her for what? Going there with the specific intention of agitating a reaction that she could get on film and post to social media?
Yes, I am 100% saying that is exactly what she did.
Does that excuse the actions of the students, the very actions she was desperately hoping to get?
No it does not.

Any protest is about agitating reaction. That's why people protest.

 

[Weezer]

When Obama embraced the us vs. them mentality, the left embraced it. Elections have consequences. When it was turned against them, it made Trump the most divisive, despicable person ever. Funny how narratives are shaped.

Until both sides learn to work together, our country is screwed. It's funny, though, how blame gets placed when neither side is attempting to work together.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Blaming her for what? Going there with the specific intention of agitating a reaction that she could get on film and post to social media?
Yes, I am 100% saying that is exactly what she did.
Does that excuse the actions of the students, the very actions she was desperately hoping to get?
No it does not.

Women wear provocative outfits because they enjoy doing so, perhaps appreciating the idea of turning heads and getting a little of attention.

As others have mentioned, they don’t do so in the hopes of getting assaulted. You are, unequivocally, saying that she’s “asking for it.”

 

[luthervol]

So you're against all of those Dem protests? Or are they the only ones allowed to express opinions?

I'm not sure I understand your question.
What dem. protest?
In general, I'm a big believer in the freedom to protest, and counter-protest.

 

[luthervol]

lmao Pathetic. I can't believe someone with daughters would utter such a statement.

Get a clue.
Who in their right mind is going to go somewhere with the expressed intention of being sexually harassed?
Good grief, sometimes I worry about you guys.

 

[luthervol]

To be perfectly honest and fair , I’m getting to the point that I just don’t care . Usually when I make it to that point , I turn to the “ I’d just as soon see the whole thing burn to the ground mode “ . We can always search through the ashes to see what’s left . We can call it a cleansing if you want . No spin , No gotcha’s , just straight up honesty .

I'm pretty much there also. I call it hitting rock bottom. That was the inevitable outcome.

 

[luthervol]

Any protest is about agitating reaction. That's why people protest.

Many protests are about agitating action more than reaction.
I'm confident you can see the difference.

 

[luthervol]

When Obama embraced the us vs. them mentality, the left embraced it. Elections have consequences. When it was turned against them, it made Trump the most divisive, despicable person ever. Funny how narratives are shaped.

Until both sides learn to work together, our country is screwed. It's funny, though, how blame gets placed when neither side is attempting to work together.

Of course both sides need to work together. That was one of the many great disappointments of the Trump nomination and election. It was the right screaming that they had absolutely no intention or desire to work together.

 

[luthervol]

Women wear provocative outfits because they enjoy doing so, perhaps appreciating the idea of turning heads and getting a little of attention.

As others have mentioned, they don’t do so in the hopes of getting assaulted. You are, unequivocally, saying that she’s “asking for it.”

That is my point. I wish you guys could process.
It is in no way the same as saying a person who dresses provocatively and gets harassed deserves it.
BECAUSE the provocative dresser did not go with the specific and expressed desire of getting harassed.
That is were the difference lies.

 

[tvolsfan]

Effective tax rate under Eisenhower?

If you want to reinstate all the deductions and write-offs available during Eisenhower's time I'll take the tax rate? Deal?

They always leave out what was deductible back then when they bring it up. I wonder why?

If you think I’m defending a 90 percent tax rate, you are mistaken.

The only point of that post was that the following is incredibly stupid:

You can’t want to tax people 90% or even 30% and say you’re pro America or pro economy.

 

[tvolsfan]

Provide a link please that shows this attitude from him. TIA.

You didn’t understand my post, did you?

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

That is my point. I wish you guys could process.
It is in no way the same as saying a person who dresses provocatively and gets harassed deserves it.
BECAUSE the provocative dresser did not go with the specific and expressed desire of getting harassed.
That is were the difference lies.

Being a polemicist != seeking harassment, and your inability to recognize this is astounding.

 

[luthervol]

Being a polemicist != seeking harassment, and your inability to recognize this is astounding.

She went looking for exactly what she got.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

She went looking for exactly what she got.

Ladies and gentlemen, the left in 2020.

 

[luthervol]

Ladies and gentlemen, the left in 2020.

Ladies and gentlemen, the right in 2016.

 

[C-south]

If you think I’m defending a 90 percent tax rate, you are mistaken.

The only point of that post was that the following is incredibly stupid:

You must get tax refunds.

 

[tvolsfan]

You must get tax refunds.

You must be making up random **** to feel less ridiculous about the point you tried to make.

 

[tennvols77]

She went looking for exactly what she got.

I agree that she got what she wanted from the "shock" value that is received which helps her sell more of her "show". Do I know if she intends that, or rather welcomes conversation and dialogue over chaos and the scene.....I can guess, but, don't know. Maybe, maybe not. If she wants to be taken seriously you would think she would rather have good interviews than Jerry Springer.

 

[C-south]

You must be making up random **** to feel less ridiculous about the point you tried to make.

The only thing ridiculous are those that propose tax increases and those that support them.

 

[luthervol]

I agree that she got what she wanted from the "shock" value that is received which helps her sell more of her "show". Do I know if she intends that, or rather welcomes conversation and dialogue over chaos and the scene.....I can guess, but, don't know. Maybe, maybe not. If she wants to be taken seriously you would think she would rather have good interviews than Jerry Springer.

I've seen a couple of her past interviews. She is in no way wanting to be taken seriously. The is looking for clicks through shock value.
No one should have thrown drinks at her, especially hot coffee. No one should lay a finger on her. The cursing and flipping her off is childish, but okay. As I stated earlier, I wish they would just turn their backs or walk away.

 

[utvolpj]

The only thing ridiculous are those that propose tax increases and those that support them.

Tax cuts with spending increases are every bit as ridiculous

 

[C-south]

Tax cuts with spending increases are every bit as ridiculous

Then hold politicians accountable not me and half of everyone else.

 

[utvolpj]

Then hold politicians accountable not me and half of everyone else.

I do. You continue to vote for them