US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

What is the overwhelming makeup of the CEOs, Presidents, and Boards of Directors?

I know I can't walk it back. Maybe it would have been better to say that the ground troops who are most likely to see combat time most often do not include members of the upper class, especially those with familial connections to military intelligence and operations services. When they do, there is a greater likelihood that those with connections to said industries or political activity are more likely to be in commissioned officer or other non-combat / low militant interaction roles.

This was true in ww1 and ww2 anyway. I am sure many were bought out of the draft in VN also. I would like to think that's no longer the case, but who knows. As OC said...the war on drugs has always been a war on the poor. The greatest crime and disadvantage one can have in this country is not race..it is poverty. I have seen it first hand so many times. People spend many months to sometimes years in jail awaiting trial, get time served bc they were locked up 2 3 or 4 times as long as they would have ever been sentenced to. They are too poor to post bail...so they live in cages for misdemeanors. On the other end, I know people who have paid tens of thousands of dollars to walk away without serving a single day from major, major felonies that would have put a poor man in prison for 15 to 20 years. That's the small scale effects of poverty...happen millions of times over year after year. Then there is the fact that past a certain level of riches and influence, the elite become "above the law" altogether...like the Clinton's, Bushes, Epsteins, etc etc... poverty is the greatest obstacle in our society by far.
"People who have never experienced poverty dont understand how expensive it is to be poor." Lot of truth in that one. I have learned in life that many times who you know is far more important than what you know also.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AshG
I don’t understand how the liberals aren’t eating him alive . He’s a multimillionaire promoting a multi billion dollar corporation , make profits off the exploitation of brown people . I wonder what the would make them not go after him ?

It's about saying the right things.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hog88
No but if the E-branch has intelligence that he was planning attacks as they claim then it should be shared with the appropriate Congressional committees. It's not due process; it's checks and balances

In theory you are right, but in practice I can't agree. DC leaks like a sieve; the more people who know mean the more people who tell reporters, so that they can feel important. Look at a single phone call Trump made; just exactly how many people were in on that call, and how many had legitimate access? I wouldn't be at all surprised to know that for every congressman you let in on a secret that there are immediately fifty others who know.
 
Dang, he just obliterated that punk.
He's right except for one thing, Cap has spun social justice warrior into a cottage industry getting rich off a company exploiting the same people he's pretending to champion, he's not a dolt he's an unscrupulous genius. The people that support him in this charade are the dolts.
 
Last edited:
I left because of the politics.

I was a middle school band director for 14 years. Built a program from 50 kids to almost 120. I missed half the spring semester in 2013 after losing my right leg to septic shock, came back in a wheelchair and taught the whole 13-14 year. Took both my bands to judging that year and the kids brought home straight top scores. I was rewarded with a Needs Improvement rating because of the school's 6th Grade Math score was too low. Missed out on a bonus because of a class I never taught that had been randomly assigned as my Value Added rating. The state DoE rep shrugged and said "Too bad, that's how it works right now." I started planning my exit and a year later accepted a PhD assistantship out of state.

I can never teach in Tennessee again because of that stain. A principal puts my name in the system and pulls it up and sees two years of Needs Improvement and my application goes in the trash.
Welcome to big government
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
I didn't miss the point at all. Perhaps you did?

It's the people who flood Iranian streets chanting "death to America" for 40 years, and you're wanting to clutch your pearls about US leadership's hard stance "words" "alienating an entire country" by threatening sites?

And if the people are that scared about their sites, perhaps they should stand up to the terrorists running their country--especially if they don't like/support them, as you say.

They’ve been protesting and many have been murdered through government crackdown. Have you not been paying attention? People have been “standing up” prior to this ordeal. Get a ****ing clue.

You are still continuing to miss the point. Iranian citizen perception of Trump and America matters, whether you want to believe it or not. We can’t pretend to act like their liberators through attacking the regime, while simultaneously making threats at innocent Iranians and their cultural sites. It’s an idiotic statement, it’s remarkable how you can even defend this from a strategic perspective.
 
PersianVol clutched his pearls because he's afraid Trump may have offended the grassroots population that flood the streets and teach their kids to chant "death to America" on holidays.

I’m Iranian. I’ve met Iranians. Ive been to Iran. I have never once in my life heard, or heard of anyone chanting “Death to America”. In my experience in Iran, the only conversations related to me being American was whether or not I listened to Eminem. Some of you guys have no idea what the **** your talking about. Some of you guys are more brainwashed than the religious rural folk in Iran.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AshG
They’ve been protesting and many have been murdered through government crackdown. Have you not been paying attention? People have been “standing up” prior to this ordeal. Get a ****ing clue.

You are still continuing to miss the point. Iranian citizen perception of Trump and America matters, whether you want to believe it or not. We can’t pretend to act like their liberators through attacking the regime, while simultaneously making threats at innocent Iranians and their cultural sites. It’s an idiotic statement, it’s remarkable how you can even defend this from a strategic perspective.

I'd probably go further than Orange_Crush, and say that as long as there is a Muslim standing there can be no peace in the world because Islam isn't simply a religion. Islam is a way of life that demands a theocratic rather than secular form of government; in short, Islam is intolerant of anyone else and given a large enough population has before and will again attempt to overthrow existing governments. Differing Islamic sects apparently can't even coexist in peace.
 
I'd probably go further than Orange_Crush, and say that as long as there is a Muslim standing there can be no peace in the world because Islam isn't simply a religion. Islam is a way of life that demands a theocratic rather than secular form of government; in short, Islam is intolerant of anyone else and given a large enough population has before and will again attempt to overthrow existing governments. Differing Islamic sects apparently can't even coexist in peace.
In saying this, do you not come off as intolerant yourself? Not all Muslims are evil terrorists, which is the idea you seem to be promoting. Being honest, I would like to think we could live together in peace, but maybe that's not possible. If not, maybe we should strive to live in peace separately. But the idea of annihilating an entire religion, genocide, that's just absurd, and beyond evil IMO.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
I’m Iranian. I’ve met Iranians. Ive been to Iran. I have never once in my life heard, or heard of anyone chanting “Death to America”. In my experience in Iran, the only conversations related to me being American was whether or not I listened to Eminem. Some of you guys have no idea what the **** your talking about. Some of you guys are more brainwashed than the religious rural folk in Iran.
You do recognize though, that the Iranian govt has made and continues to make threats against America and that they sponsor terrorist groups to further this agenda, correct?
 
A lot of emotions are being drummed up, but demonizing an entire religion for the actions of some is ludicrous. So many atrocities throughout history were committed and justified by Christianity, but that doesn't make every Christian culpable or evil. The same is true of Islam. Speaking from hate is contradictory to what Christianity is supposed to be about, IMO.
 
I’m Iranian. I’ve met Iranians. Ive been to Iran. I have never once in my life heard, or heard of anyone chanting “Death to America”. In my experience in Iran, the only conversations related to me being American was whether or not I listened to Eminem. Some of you guys have no idea what the **** your talking about. Some of you guys are more brainwashed than the religious rural folk in Iran.

Your comment made me think of this news article I read several years ago on American basketball players in the Iranian league. For a people we vilify so harshly because of their leaders and their religion, they sure took care of the basketball players. Clandestine apartment delivery of liquor and bacon? Sounds good to me. Many of the available follow-ups say the same things. When it comes down to our Jimmys and Joes and their Jimmys and Joes, we all just want the same basic things in life.

If anything, it's just more proof that every country on the planet has leaders that are ridiculously out of touch with most of their citizens.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Persian Vol
I’m Iranian. I’ve met Iranians. Ive been to Iran. I have never once in my life heard, or heard of anyone chanting “Death to America”. In my experience in Iran, the only conversations related to me being American was whether or not I listened to Eminem. Some of you guys have no idea what the **** your talking about. Some of you guys are more brainwashed than the religious rural folk in Iran.
What are your thoughts on regime change in Iran? Would it be widely supported?
 
They’ve been protesting and many have been murdered through government crackdown. Have you not been paying attention? People have been “standing up” prior to this ordeal. Get a ****ing clue.

You are still continuing to miss the point. Iranian citizen perception of Trump and America matters, whether you want to believe it or not. We can’t pretend to act like their liberators through attacking the regime, while simultaneously making threats at innocent Iranians and their cultural sites. It’s an idiotic statement, it’s remarkable how you can even defend this from a strategic perspective.


You do realize the irony of complaining about the perception of Trump and America to innocent Iranians and their culture , while Iran’s decades old message to the world is to eliminate all Americans (innocent or not ) and their culture right ? Iranians are no more innocent or guilty than Americans , Iranian culture doesn’t mean anymore to me than than my culture and history does to them . I can say that there are people in this country that wouldn’t harm anyone in Iran or their historical cultural sites but I’m not so naive as to say there aren’t people here that wouldn’t level the whole country given the chance . It’s good to hear your perceptive on things , I think it helps keep a balance ( for me at least ) because for some of us , ( my opinion ) some of our first recollections of Iran is watching “ protests “ in the streets of people burning American flags , hanging / burning our president in effigy and yes chanting death to America “ the great satan” . These are things I saw as a kid and still see today . So if we are going to talk about perception of countries and governments to the masses , we can start by being honest and saying there’s a huge perception problem to overcome . Otherwise I think that your message of innocent Iranians fearing for their culture and it’s artifacts is going to ring hollow for most of us . Before people get there panties twisted .. these are my experiences, just like PV has stated his experiences.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
I’m Iranian. I’ve met Iranians. Ive been to Iran. I have never once in my life heard, or heard of anyone chanting “Death to America”. In my experience in Iran, the only conversations related to me being American was whether or not I listened to Eminem. Some of you guys have no idea what the **** your talking about. Some of you guys are more brainwashed than the religious rural folk in Iran.
So we imagine those hundreds of thousands out there marching saying it?
 

VN Store



Back
Top