To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
Ok again I’ll slow it down a little for ya

You don’t know that the responding officers saw or were told about any traffic accident. Officers have to take and are given priority calls by dispatchers first. The 911 dispatcher might not even have been called about the accident or even if they were they probably held it until the higher priority call was attended to. This happens every day in every jurisdiction. Sometimes thefts, accidents, drunks etc are held for other serious calls

Secondly, when this officer called this “attack” in, I’m pretty sure he never said “pin knife into the leg” or some such BS. He likely said someone he was fighting just stabbed him and ran off. So to other officers this was a dangerous violent felon at large who would like hurt or kill other people so finding him was top priority. You are being obstinate if you can’t see that

I don’t condone the officer who faked the incident actions, and I would prosecute him for putting so many people in needles danger. But you can’t criticize the response of the other officers which was appropriate and normal
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Just out of curiosity, how many police cars roll when your average Joe gets stabbed or shot? 3 maybe 4?
 
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VolStrom said:
Just out of curiosity, how many police cars roll when your average Joe gets stabbed or shot? 3 maybe 4?
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Are you kidding? Depends on the number of officers working and type of incident. Is it near high density neighborhood? Or out on a county road in middle of nowhere.l? Was it robbery, a murder? Multiple suspects? Suicide? Suspects there on scene or at large? We had 10-15 shootings in Knox county the past week, so some incidents had 3-4 police cars and investigators. And some had more. And stabbings? there were five today already in Knoxville, including one dead so how many officers do you think are appropriate?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Are you kidding? Depends on the number of officers working and type of incident. Is it near high density neighborhood? Or out on a county road in middle of nowhere.l? Was it robbery, a murder? Multiple suspects? Suicide? Suspects there on scene or at large? We had 10-15 shootings in Knox county the past week, so some incidents had 3-4 police cars and investigators. And some had more. And stabbings? there were five today already in Knoxville, including one dead so how many officers do you think are appropriate?
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Apparently all of them when it's a cop. When it's someone in Walter P. Taylor housing I'm guessing when you get done eating or they turn off the hot donut sign at Crispy Cream.
 
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VolStrom said:
Apparently all of them when it's a cop. When it's someone in Walter P. Taylor housing I'm guessing when you get done eating or they turn off the hot donut sign at Crispy Cream.
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Why would you think exactly? About 15 year ago, I used to do walking patrols of Walter P along with regular calls for service there. I have responded to probably 25-40 shootings and stabbings there, and I responded to each of them pretty much the same as I would to one anywhere else. It seems like you carry around a lot of incorrect assumptions about police and police work in general. You should do a ride a long with KPD or KCSO sometime
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Why would you think exactly? About 15 year ago, I used to do walking patrols of Walter P along with regular calls for service there. I have responded to probably 25-40 shootings and stabbings there, and I responded to each of them pretty much the same as I would to one anywhere else. It seems like you carry around a lot of incorrect assumptions about police and police work in general. You should do a ride a long with KPD or KCSO sometime
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I know you deal with garbage on a daily basis. The problem comes when you deal with actual taxpayers that are decent people and you treat them like crap. I think you're typical of most police and I have no use for you.
 
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VolStrom said:
I know you deal with garbage on a daily basis. The problem comes when you deal with actual taxpayers that are decent people and you treat them like crap. I think you're typical of most police and I have no use for you.
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Please give me an instance of any decent person I’ve treated like crap? You think I’m typical how? You project and generalize a LOT. I’m extremely fair to people of all backgrounds and actually a decent person who makes a difference
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Please give me an instance of any decent person I’ve treated like crap? You think I’m typical how? You project and generalize a LOT. I’m extremely fair to people of all backgrounds and actually a decent person who makes a difference
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Just as there are people who by default always trust law enforcement, there are people that never do.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Please give me an instance of any decent person I’ve treated like crap? You think I’m typical how? You project and generalize a LOT. I’m extremely fair to people of all backgrounds and actually a decent person who makes a difference
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How so?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So it actually was the same incident??? and you and your wife can’t understand why officers would respond directly to a report of a person who allegedly stabbed an officer and escaped? How many officers do you think even saw the traffic accident while running emergency traffic to a higher priority call?
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An officer stabbing is higher priority than a vehicular accident? I find that to be amazing considering the way these cops patrol the streets. You would normally think traffic safety was #1...
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ok again I’ll slow it down a little for ya

You don’t know that the responding officers saw or were told about any traffic accident. Officers have to take and are given priority calls by dispatchers first. The 911 dispatcher might not even have been called about the accident or even if they were they probably held it until the higher priority call was attended to. This happens every day in every jurisdiction. Sometimes thefts, accidents, drunks etc are held for other serious calls

Secondly, when this officer called this “attack” in, I’m pretty sure he never said “pin knife into the leg” or some such BS. He likely said someone he was fighting just stabbed him and ran off. So to other officers this was a dangerous violent felon at large who would like hurt or kill other people so finding him was top priority. You are being obstinate if you can’t see that

I don’t condone the officer who faked the incident actions, and I would prosecute him for putting so many people in needles danger. But you can’t criticize the response of the other officers which was appropriate and normal
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Just curious, but how many cops does it take to catch one or two bad guys? Sounds like the entire police force was chasing down the alleged stabbing suspect in this case and we recently had 5 South Florida jurisdictions participating in the UPS driver incident.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Are you kidding? Depends on the number of officers working and type of incident. Is it near high density neighborhood? Or out on a county road in middle of nowhere.l? Was it robbery, a murder? Multiple suspects? Suicide? Suspects there on scene or at large? We had 10-15 shootings in Knox county the past week, so some incidents had 3-4 police cars and investigators. And some had more. And stabbings? there were five today already in Knoxville, including one dead so how many officers do you think are appropriate?
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Outside of the North Hollywood bank robbery, not more than 3-4 cars.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Please give me an instance of any decent person I’ve treated like crap? You think I’m typical how? You project and generalize a LOT. I’m extremely fair to people of all backgrounds and actually a decent person who makes a difference
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Do you hide behind signs with a radar gun? Ever ticket anyone for tinted windows, busted tag light or seatbelt violation?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just curious, but how many cops does it take to catch one or two bad guys? Sounds like the entire police force was chasing down the alleged stabbing suspect in this case and we recently had 5 South Florida jurisdictions participating in the UPS driver incident.
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Do you work with other Electrical Engineers? I mean, is there a such thing as an electrical engineer emergency? Apply some logic. Light doesnt work vs chernobyl type of meltdown.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just curious, but how many cops does it take to catch one or two bad guys? Sounds like the entire police force was chasing down the alleged stabbing suspect in this case and we recently had 5 South Florida jurisdictions participating in the UPS driver incident.
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I sincerely doubt it me or you were stabbed in the leg, 20 police cars would be responding.
 
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tim said:
Do you work with other Electrical Engineers? I mean, is there a such thing as an electrical engineer emergency? Apply some logic. Light doesnt work vs chernobyl type of meltdown.
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I'm more than willing to play along in your hypothetical game, but I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
An officer stabbing is higher priority than a vehicular accident? I find that to be amazing considering the way these cops patrol the streets. You would normally think traffic safety was #1...
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well attempted murder and aggravated assault type calls on anyone, officer or otherwise are usually pretty high priority calls. Especially if the person commits the act and runs and it is unknown where they fled to. There are 20-25 traffic accidents a day, albeit mostly minor ones without injury.

It doesn’t make the accidents or traffic safety “not important”, just means we handle what we get called for when we get it.

I once had to bypass a business emergency alarm, a traffic accident with possible injury, and a possible stolen car in progress because I had a domestic call where a father threw his 20 yr old daughter threw a plate glass window and was threatening her with a knife. Now just because I had to rush to that call didn’t mean I thought the other calls were less important. There are only so many officers out there. And I hear it’s even worse today at KPD especially due to their low staffing. We had 545 officers back 20 years ago when I worked there. Now they have like 260. It’s crazy
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just curious, but how many cops does it take to catch one or two bad guys? Sounds like the entire police force was chasing down the alleged stabbing suspect in this case and we recently had 5 South Florida jurisdictions participating in the UPS driver incident.
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Depends on the call and where it is and each situation is different. We had an escaped prisoner call where he ran into the woods recently. I would estimate 45 officers from 6 different agencies including 4 K9s and a helicopter were involved and we caught him within an hour. Overkill? Maybe, but you wouldn’t want a career violent felon coming up to your back porch or carjacking your wife either trying to escape
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Do you hide behind signs with a radar gun? Ever ticket anyone for tinted windows, busted tag light or seatbelt violation?
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No I don’t shoot radar although when I was a rookie I was assigned to do so in school zones. Had a guy who went 110 mph in a school zone at 730am with kids crossing at a crosswalk. Of course you think it was wrong I arrested him right? Oh yea he was drunk too

As for other “minor” traffic violations if I pulled someone over for broken tail light I usually gave them a simple verbal warning to fix it. Unless they had something else going on

The only other time I’d usually cite someone for traffic violations would be because they did something to be at fault in an accident
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Depends on the call and where it is and each situation is different. We had an escaped prisoner call where he ran into the woods recently. I would estimate 45 officers from 6 different agencies including 4 K9s and a helicopter were involved and we caught him within an hour. Overkill? Maybe, but you wouldn’t want a career violent felon coming up to your back porch or carjacking your wife either trying to escape
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Well, if the career violent felon has shot or stabbed an officer, pretty sure he wouldn't think twice about hurting anyone else. That's just my take.
 
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