2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

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JohnWardForever said:
Back in August I recall stating the Guarantino would be a pretty good QB for us, and that Lsu also had a good QB In Burrow. I got chastised by some member who stated that Burrow couldn't play a lick. (Paraphrased) I just wonder now------------------Go Tigahs; the 2019 National Champs.
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Who is "Guarantino?" I don't understand the thread
 
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utvolpj said:
JG isn't the best qb in the country. He also won't ever win the heisman

Congrats you broke the code. Amazing
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Those are your words, jack.

My point is to illustrate the utter incompetence of JG, despite what you think.

Isnt that the point of a comparison? To compare 2 things that are fairly similar, yet are different(like 2 college quarterbacks)???
 
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bluetick2 said:
That JG had 12 td passes in a year. And in his good year he had 16.
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I think we can give him a pass last year due to the offensive line. No excuses for this year my question to you would be how come Maurer or Shrout didn't seize the opportunity they had? Let's not start making excuses for them either because they didn't. Hopefully next year JG learns and grows in a big way under Jim Chaney or someone else really rises to the occasion.
 
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Well you can thank the refs for turning this game. That targeting foul was BS, Changed the complexion of the game right there...
 
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1vol8 said:
But see..... imo that’s still not a very fair comparison ONLY because it was clear that BM wasn’t prepared to play vs UF. Just the fact that he even compares to those guys with UF included makes it that much more impressive to me.
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more excuses
 
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1vol8 said:
You have a subtle way to APPEAR that way. We’re you not in a heated debate with someone just the other day for being critical of HB as you often are? I think you were.

I have wondered about Keyton on more than one occasion. He’s a 4* receiver that seems to have forgotten how to catch. I’m sure he’s got more drops than receptions at this point. His deep drop vs UTC didn’t help in that department either.

Never said that comp % doesn’t matter. What I’ve said and will continue to say is when a qb is thrown to a top 10 team WITHOUT preparation it becomes a slanted negative stat and therefore he SHOULD NOT be held accountable by the fans because it by no means is any indication of skill. That’s being set up to fail. Huge difference. As a matter of fact, before you find your words to put me down, I challenge you to find ANY post where I challenged anyone that was fair. I’ll challenge someone that claims him a 47% passer because he’s been at 52% in games he was prepared for. I’ll challenge someone that says 2tds/5ints as if qbs don’t get credit for rushing yards or as if running across the goal line doesn’t count the same.
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and what yr is he? but that only applies to maurer, right? give me a break
 
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CR-vol said:
I think we can give him a pass last year due to the offensive line. No excuses for this year my question to you would be how come Maurer or Shrout didn't seize the opportunity they had? Let's not start making excuses for them either because they didn't. Hopefully next year JG learns and grows in a big way under Jim Chaney or someone else really rises to the occasion.
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Well, BM did take the starting job until he was injured. He never had a real opportunity to get it back after.

Maybe Mauer isnt very good, but i certainly feel like he has some upside and needs more run.

Now , for J.T., that still is baffling why he didnt get another real shot after he lit it up.

And here is an excuse for them....they were freshmen! JG is what he is and its not gonna change.

Look, all i am saying is that in this day and age, it is remarkable to have a qb with those kinds of td numbers, regardless of last years line play.
 
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lexkyvol said:
some people u really have to wonder if they understand football. its sad u had to point this out to someone!
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I promise you i have played a lot more football than you have.

I didnt say they were on a level field. Thats not my point.

My point is, that in modern football(as evidenced by a 7 td performance in 1 half of a natl semi game), it is hard to believe that JG had 12 tds all of last year and 16 all of this year.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
This is several levels beyond dishonest. Not a few but most everyone these days among both former NFL players and coaches, and sportswriters and commentators agree that Brady is the best quarterback to ever play. Many go further and state unequivocally that he's the best football player ever, period.

A short but definitely not exhaustive list of such people who call him the greatest: Steve Young, Jim Kelly, Deion Sanders, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Roger Staubach, John Elway.

Six Hall Of Fame Quarterbacks Describe What Makes Tom Brady Greatest Ever

Also, Deflategate was ridiculed by numerous scientists across the country; no one with half a brain took those allegations seriously; it was nothing more than the 31 other owners' way to get back at the Patriots for winning too much.

Citing Spygate as reason to discredit the Patriots is either outlandishly ignorant or willfully dishonest. If you bothered to do even five minutes' worth of research you would find that it's legal to tape signals from certain parts of the stadium; you'd also find that numerous other teams, much more recently than the Pats, have been caught doing much worse, and somehow none of those stories ever gets played up in the media because those teams don't win like the Pats do.

Your beloved Colts have cheated much more consistently and brazenly than the Pats - they just got away with it because they only won one Super Bowl rather than six. None other than Deion Sanders publicly called them out for stealing signals for years - not one game as the Pats were accused of, but systematically for years - on national TV. And then the pious Tony Dungy tried to explain that stealing signals was an old tradition dating to the nineteenth century in baseball - he didn't even attempt to deny that his team had done it:

The Indianapolis Colts Complete Cheating History - Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating
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You can hit me with as many articles as you like. Call me dishonest or call me a leftist for all I care. Under the salary cap NO team stays that good for that long without some kind of “shady” practices imo. Let’s not forget that Belicheck got fired from the Cleveland Browns because he couldn’t win. So don’t tell me he’s the best that’s ever lived when he’s already proved no better than the revolving door in Ohio. I can promise you I’ve done more research on this scandal than most, especially Patriot fans because truth is they don’t WANT to know.

I’m not going to go through the entire post and pick what I care to debate because there’s quite a bit. So I’ll point you in the best direction I know of to take care of it for me. There’s a video that’s now on YouTube that you can look up if you chose that will make you wish you hadn’t spent so much time telling me how “dishonest” I am because it’s time you’ll never get back. It’s called “spygate, the untold story”. There was much more going on behind the scenes than we know as told by FORMER (the reason that’s caps will be explained in the video) employees and reporters of the NFL. Which is why Goodell came down so hard on “deflate gate”. You may be surprised at his own involvement as well.

Stories such as this have a tendency of circumstances not adding up over the course of time. The reason I researched it like I did because of that fact and I found many articles such as yours expressing the exact opposite of what you sent me but they didn’t “connect the dots” of overall circumstances. This video did. So I chose to believe every word like you have chosen to believe it was only hand signals.
 
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bluetick2 said:
What if Burrow was here, in our system, with our wide receivers? 16?

This is the point of the thread. Dont talk about it if you dont want. Its tough to swallow.
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There is no doubt in my mind, if Burrow had been here at QB, we would have won MORE games, in fact a lot more, in fact we may have posted a W after playing BAMA (burrow doesn't fumble on the 1). He is a Great Football player, from what I've seen of him on TV, he is a fine young man, I wish him the Very Best in the NFL-he has earned it.
 
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k-town_king said:
It's true. Sorry it doesn't fit your made up golden boy, chosen one narrative.

They believe in JG and want JG to play. Not BM
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So it’s true even though no one has ever heard him say that huh? No chance it never happened at all? No chance that maybe JJ is only supporting his coaches decision? 🤔. Your response to this should be interesting.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
What is the point of this thread?
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The Point was I remembered the Pompous negative response to my post about Burrow being a good QB; and wanted to say "How you like Him Now?" This wasn't about a comparison of Guarantano & Burrow, that was just how the August post was worded.
 
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