Jennings suspended for first half of bowl game (merged)

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bamawriter said:
Bama "saw fit" to handle it with the typical punishment the conference doles out. Do you have some personal knowledge that Tennessee attempted to do the same thing and were preempted by the conference?

Your position is so odd. It doesn't matter that Davis sat out a half; what matters is that the SEC accepted Bama's punishment, even though it was exactly what the SEC would have mandated.
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“I visited with Commissioner [Greg] Sankey about Raekwon’s actions,” Saban told reporters in his weekly press conference. “We will handle that internally. We will have him do some things. I think it should affect his playing time in the future.”

Tennessee was informed Jennings was suspended by Sankey. Alabama informed Sankey that he would handle it himself. If you can't see the difference, that's because of your red glasses.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, your position is that Jennings didn't step on his face, at all? Interesting. Even the folks most pissed off about the suspension don't seem to agree with that.



On that we agree.
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No my position is if it was intentional, there would be injury. If you cant prove it was purposeful, then they need to not punish him.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
“I visited with Commissioner [Greg] Sankey about Raekwon’s actions,” Saban told reporters in his weekly press conference. “We will handle that internally. We will have him do some things. I think it should affect his playing time in the future.”

Tennessee was informed Jennings was suspended by Sankey. Alabama informed Sankey that he would handle it himself. If you can't see the difference, that's because of your red glasses.
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Once again, what's important to you is not that Davis was suspended for the exact amount of time prescribed. What's important to you is that the SEC didn't do the suspending.
 
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bamawriter said:
Once again, what's important to you is not that Davis was suspended for the exact amount of time prescribed. What's important to you is that the SEC didn't do the suspending.
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So at this point we have:

Bama player throwing punches.

TN player doing nothing provable.

Both get same punishment.

Bama fan in agreement.

Got it.
 
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allvol123 said:
No my position is if it was intentional, there would be injury. If you cant prove it was purposeful, then they need to not punish him.
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So you believe that intent is a necessary component, not a mitigating factor? I don't believe the rulebook or bylaws would agree with that.
 
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bamawriter said:
Once again, what's important to you is not that Davis was suspended for the exact amount of time prescribed. What's important to you is that the SEC didn't do the suspending.
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Yes, Davis actions were clear as was his intent. The SEC didn't do anything but allow Alabama to handle it how they wished. Jennings actions and intent were muddled at best, the SEC handled it how they saw fit. Which was the point of my original post about it. Alabama gets to choose how they handle an incident. Others aren't afforded the same opportunity.
 
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allvol123 said:
So at this point we have:

Bama player throwing punches.

TN player doing nothing provable.

Both get same punishment.

Bama fan in agreement.

Got it.
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You keep saying this, but when I ask if you believe that Jennings stepped on the dude's head, you start talking intent. Put intent aside for a moment. Did Jennings step on the guy's head, whether on purpose or by accident?
 
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bamawriter said:
You keep saying this, but when I ask if you believe that Jennings stepped on the dude's head, you start talking intent. Put intent aside for a moment. Did Jennings step on the guy's head, whether on purpose or by accident?
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His foot touched him. Not the first time in a football game someone lost balance getting up from a scrum and body parts touched.

To say beyond doubt that someone has proof that his offense is worthy of the same punishment as throwing punches is absurd.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Yes, Davis actions were clear as was his intent. The SEC didn't do anything but allow Alabama to handle it how they wished. Jennings actions and intent were muddled at best, the SEC handled it how they saw fit. Which was the point of my original post about it. Alabama gets to choose how they handle an incident. Others aren't afforded the same opportunity.
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Right. Your entire argument is based on two hypotheticals:

- If Bama hadn't suspended Davis, or had suspended him for less time than prescribed, then the SEC would have done nothing
- If UT had attempted to suspend Jennings for the prescribed period of time (and perhaps they did), then the SEC would have refused to accept it (and perhaps they did)

You are outraged because you've compared the results these two events, despite not knowing if the latter occurred, and knowing full well that the former never had the chance to occur.
 
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Also of note, fighting in the NCAA rulebook requires ejection and a half suspension for the next game. Fighting is clearly defined as attempting to strike someone in a combative manner in the NCAA rules. Because the SEC refs somehow didn't call Davis for fighting even though he was clearly in the middle of the field throwing blows, the automatic NCAA suspension didn't kick in. I've never seen any player clearly and openly throwing multiple punches not get called/ejected for fighting. He just got a vanilla 15 yarder. Then the SEC commissioner, who can do video review and issue a penalty post game (which is what happened to Jennings) chose not to do that with Davis, he simply let Nick Saban choose the path he wanted to take with it.
 
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bamawriter said:
Right. Your entire argument is based on two hypotheticals:

- If Bama hadn't suspended Davis, or had suspended him for less time than prescribed, then the SEC would have done nothing
- If UT had attempted to suspend Jennings for the prescribed period of time (and perhaps they did), then the SEC would have refused to accept it (and perhaps they did)

You are outraged because you've compared the results these two events, despite not knowing if the latter occurred, and knowing full well that the former never had the chance to occur.
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What isn't hypothetical is that Alabama was allowed to set Davis punishment. Tennessee was not allowed to set Jennings' punishment.

You are the one that is adding things about what the SEC might have done. We only know what they actually did. Suspend Jennings and let Alabama pick Davis' punishment.
 
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allvol123 said:
To say beyond doubt that someone has proof that his offense is worthy of the same punishment as throwing punches is absurd.
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At the risk of defending the integrity of the SEC, I highly doubt that the conference determines punishment by applying the Raekwon Davis scale of severity. There is a prescribed length of punishment for committing extreme acts of roughness or unsportsmanlike conduct. Trying to compare each individual incident so that each punishment is greater or less than the one before it, especially while trying to read minds to determine intent, is a fool's errand.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Also of note, fighting in the NCAA rulebook requires ejection and a half suspension for the next game. Fighting is clearly defined as attempting to strike someone in a combative manner in the NCAA rules. Because the SEC refs somehow didn't call Davis for fighting even though he was clearly in the middle of the field throwing blows, the automatic NCAA suspension didn't kick in. I've never seen any player clearly and openly throwing multiple punches not get called/ejected for fighting. He just got a vanilla 15 yarder. Then the SEC commissioner, who can do video review and issue a penalty post game (which is what happened to Jennings) chose not to do that with Davis, he simply let Nick Saban choose the path he wanted to take with it.
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While I agree that Davis should have been ejected, there is context there: Davis had retaliated against a Mizzou lineman that had just clubbed Mack Wilson in the head. Only Davis was flagged, and neither was ejected. For whatever reason, the Mizzou lineman didn't receive any suspension. So, while it is true that the rules were not properly applied to Davis, they weren't applied to the Mizzou player at all.

Maybe the league felt like looking like a little b**** is punishment enough.
 
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bamawriter said:
Once again, what's important to you is not that Davis was suspended for the exact amount of time prescribed. What's important to you is that the SEC didn't do the suspending.
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That's actually a pretty big deal. I'm not wearing my tinfoil hat today. I'm not seeing a pro-bama conspiracy, but I'm seeing arbitrary enforcement from the SEC and that chaps.

What do you think of the SEC allowing Mark Stoops & Kentucky to internaly discipline after their LB tried to injure Trasks during the FL game?
 
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bamawriter said:
At the risk of defending the integrity of the SEC, I highly doubt that the conference determines punishment by applying the Raekwon Davis scale of severity. There is a prescribed length of punishment for committing extreme acts of roughness or unsportsmanlike conduct. Trying to compare each individual incident so that each punishment is greater or less than the one before it, especially while trying to read minds to determine intent, is a fool's errand.
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Reading your posts, noticing your quite acceptable diction and spelling, and consistent intelligent arguments, I feel compelled to ask, ____writer, "What team do you really write for and how much did they pay you to say Bama?"
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
That's actually a pretty big deal. I'm not wearing my tinfoil hat today. I'm not seeing a pro-bama conspiracy, but I'm seeing arbitrary enforcement from the SEC and that chaps.

What do you think of the SEC allowing Mark Stoops & Kentucky to internaly discipline after their LB tried to injure Trasks during the FL game?
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He got a quarter, right? I think that's too little. But if UK had suspended him for a half, I'd have no issue with the SEC rubber stamping the punishment.
 
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SpookyAction said:
Reading your posts, noticing your quite acceptable diction and spelling, and consistent intelligent arguments, I feel compelled to ask, ____writer, "What team do you really write for and how much did they pay you to say Bama?"
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Ha. Raised and educated in Tennessee. Both parents and 2 of 3 siblings went to Bama.
 
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@VFFL@THEBEACH
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. For me, I was always aware of where someone’s head was or wasn’t after I tackled them. Wasn’t saying I didn’t know.
 
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bamawriter said:
He got a quarter, right? I think that's too little. But if UK had suspended him for a half, I'd have no issue with the SEC rubber stamping the punishment.
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Eventually the SEC is gonna have to become more transparent like the Pac-12 in the conference's officiating reviews. I don't buy into any collusion conspiracy but I believe in the refs susceptibility to bias on any given day.

My thinking is that the SEC suspended Jauan Jennings to quite outside media noise and us fans pretending to be lawyers arguing the merit of the infraction, intent....Is a welcome distraction to the SEC's motive.

I think our fan bases indignation over the SEC's enforcement is a two fold combination of having gotten the sh!t end of the stick from bad officiating in several games with a seeming lack of accountability from the SEC regarding officiating as a whole.

The officiating has got to start being held to a higher standard with more transparency.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
So... Hypothetically, you're saying that if you saw something on the ground right in front of you.. Then turned your head.. You could no longer step on that thing without years of martial arts training?

Jesus man. Some of y'all acting like this is OJ Simpson lawyer tryouts.
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While others are acting like JJ maimed the guy and left him in a vegetative state
 
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VolArmy74 said:
“I visited with Commissioner [Greg] Sankey about Raekwon’s actions,” Saban told reporters in his weekly press conference. “We will handle that internally. We will have him do some things. I think it should affect his playing time in the future.”

Tennessee was informed Jennings was suspended by Sankey. Alabama informed Sankey that he would handle it himself. If you can't see the difference, that's because of your red glasses.
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It’s not just the red glasses
 
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