The Impeachment Thread

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Velo Vol said:
Oh well. Princess tried.

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So, Ivanka wants to give the rest of us a lecture on morals, while quoting (though falsely, but nonetheless pretentiously) a 19th Century writer/diplomat... In the case of her father, I think the Lord Acton is more appropriate (and think Animal Farm):

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty or corruption by authority." - Lord Acton
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Then no. Investigations have not been done and the leverage you believe was used was released. You are wanting to take one step at a time while starting on step 5 or whatever number that is certainly not step 1. How can you skip right past defining the leverage?
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Not gonna invest more time in a conversation with someone who can’t easily agree to this.

Taylor said it. Volker said it. Giuliani has said it. Sondland has said it. Ron Johnson has said it. It’s in the texts. As far as I can tell, it’s uncontested that there was an effort to leverage Ukraine for investigations.

Spluttering around that softball like it’s a hard question is just unreasonable.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
So, Ivanka wants to give the rest of us a lecture on morals, while quoting (though falsely, but nonetheless pretentiously) a 19th Century writer/diplomat... In the case of her father, I think the Lord Acton is more appropriate (and think Animal Farm):

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty or corruption by authority." - Lord Acton
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Ivanka should probably sit this one out.
 
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VolnJC said:
So that's why they had so much in common with the Dems back then
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
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This article has been posted for months now as I had posted it and seen it several times since,
Everyone needs to read this article and things will start making since. It is astonishing that Chalupa and the DNC were involved in campaign dirt digging from foreign sources and now try to use this against Trump. This shitshow is BS.

Lets get this out in the air in the Senate. Impeach.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Not gonna invest more time in a conversation with someone who can’t easily agree to this.

Taylor said it. Volker said it. Giuliani has said it. Sondland has said it. Ron Johnson has said it. It’s in the texts. As far as I can tell, it’s uncontested that there was an effort to lobby Ukraine for investigations.

Spluttering around that softball like it’s a hard question is just unreasonable.
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You’re funny RT. You have even changed your own words which is funny for someone who parses every word that every person says on here. First you kept saying “leverage” and now you’ve changed to “lobby”. I’m pretty sure those words mean very different things yet when I challenge your original premise you don’t actually come back with discussion you just claim I’m wasting your high and mighty time and then back off your original position that Trump leveraged Ukraine. Not so well played counselor. You even got a like for it. Congrats. I’m guessing Zep missed you backing off your original point. Either that or you received a pity like. Good night sir and, as PCV would say, I hope all your dreams come true!
 
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hUTch2002 said:
You’re funny RT. You have even changed your own words which is funny for someone who parses every word that every person says on here. First you kept saying “leverage” and now you’ve changed to “lobby”. I’m pretty sure those words mean very different things yet when I challenge your original premise you don’t actually come back with discussion you just claim I’m wasting your high and mighty time and then back off your original position that Trump leveraged Ukraine. Not so well played counselor. You even got a like for it. Congrats. I’m guessing Zep missed you backing off your original point. Either that or you received a pity like. Good night sir and, as PCV would say, I hope all your dreams come true!
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Edited for you. 🙄
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Nothing is going to happen
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Well, there will be more smoke, mirrors and Kabuki theater. House votes on Articles of Impeachment which then slithers its way to the Senate where Roberts presides over a show trial. The news channels will continue having a field day. Politicians will try to make themselves a household word. They will climb mole hills and declare them mountains. There will be unexploded "bombshells" every where.

And then nothing will happen until an election.
 
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I think there is one thing everyone can agree on. No matter your stance on Trump, after the past 5 days of testimony, your opinion of him now is lower than before.
 
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luthervol said:
I think there is one thing everyone can agree on. No matter your stance on Trump, after the past 5 days of testimony, your opinion of him now is lower than before.
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Nope. My opinion is actually lower of the democrats now (if that was possible). They didn't get a single witness to say that there was a quid pro quo or a bribe. Big gigantic waste of time. They will likely still impeach and if the republicans in the senate are smart they will use that opportunity to call all sorts of witnesses who don't want to be there like the so called whistle blower and "four Pinocchios" Adam Schiff. Put them under oath and make them sing. Trump isn't going anywhere.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Nope. My opinion is actually lower of the democrats now (if that was possible). They didn't get a single witness to say that there was a quid pro quo or a bribe. Big gigantic waste of time. They will likely still impeach and if the republicans in the senate are smart they will use that opportunity to call all sorts of witnesses who don't want to be there like the so called whistle blower and "four Pinocchios" Adam Schiff. Put them under oath and make them sing. Trump isn't going anywhere.
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That is an outright lie. Gordon Sondland did exactly that.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Nope. My opinion is actually lower of the democrats now (if that was possible). They didn't get a single witness to say that there was a quid pro quo or a bribe. Big gigantic waste of time. They will likely still impeach and if the republicans in the senate are smart they will use that opportunity to call all sorts of witnesses who don't want to be there like the so called whistle blower and "four Pinocchios" Adam Schiff. Put them under oath and make them sing. Trump isn't going anywhere.
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You're a Trumper which means by definition you hate anything and everything democrat and will excuse your leader no matter what. Even with that fact, I know you must have a lower opinion of him today than you did 5 days ago; otherwise, you are absent any free will and thought.
 
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Question: Does the NSA, CIA and/or FBI have recordings of Trump's unsecure cell phone conversations like the one he had with Sondland on August 26th? If yes, is this something that could be subpoenaed?

Seems like it would settle what, exactly, is material fact.
 
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MontyPython said:
Question: Does the NSA, CIA and/or FBI have recordings of Trump's unsecure cell phone conversations like the one he had with Sondland on August 26th? If yes, is this something that could be subpoenaed?

Seems like it would settle what, exactly, is material fact.
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Is there really any dispute over what was said in that call?
 
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GAVol said:
the bar has been on the ground for awhile now. This is politics.
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Don't fool yourself into thinking it can't go lower.
Or higher
Trumpism has led to one big lowering of the bar.
Anyone normalizing Trump is complicit. (IMHO)
 
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MontyPython said:
Question: Does the NSA, CIA and/or FBI have recordings of Trump's unsecure cell phone conversations like the one he had with Sondland on August 26th? If yes, is this something that could be subpoenaed?

Seems like it would settle what, exactly, is material fact.
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You mean would they acknowledge willful illegal activity in spying on a US citizen in this case the President without having a properly approved surveillance warrant? Yeah wouldn’t get my hopes up.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You mean would they acknowledge willful illegal activity in spying on a US citizen in this case the President without having a properly approved surveillance warrant? Yeah wouldn’t get my hopes up.
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They probably do have it recorded. The law isn’t much of a deterrent for them.
 
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