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Chuckie said:
I think that's plausible. Probable? I'm not sure.

I just don't understand why some media sources (I think Simonton was one of them, but could be wrong) are saying definitively that Maurer has had "two concussions in two weeks." Isn't the truth that almost no one knows for sure if he's had 2, 1 or 0?
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Listening to the sports animal this morning, Will kept saying BM will not play because of two concussions in a 7 day span.
We dont even know if it was a concussion. TN is setting them selves up for failure if BM plays and the media will put on a show about it
 
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BruinVol said:
He’s saying it because Pruitt has said it both weeks
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For the MSU situation, I believe Pruitt said he "got his bell rung" which would not conclusively mean it was a concussion. Did he give any kind descriptive disclosure on what was sustained against the Gumps?
 
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We really have our tin foil hats on if we think Pruitt is lying about people getting concussions when they didn't. With what we know today why would you want people to think that your team has more concussions than they actually do?
 
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Pruitt said in interviews during and or after he got a concussion.

Now I didn’t take him literally but he said it both times

Chuckie said:
For the MSU situation, I believe Pruitt said he "got his bell rung" which would not conclusively mean it was a concussion. Did he give any kind descriptive disclosure on what was sustained against the Gumps?
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VolInDayton said:
We really have our tin foil hats on if we think Pruitt is lying about people getting concussions when they didn't. With what we know today why would you want people to think that your team has more concussions than they actually do?
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I think the confusion is there can be a difference between being in concussion protocol and having a concussion
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Conspiracy time... I don't think Maurer has had a concussion in either game, and part of Pruitt's frustration with him at Bama was that because of how he reacted to the hit the medical staff wanted to "play it safe"


First injury = neck stinger
2nd injury = bell rung a bit, but not a concussion
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All you had to do is look at the first injury and know that was pretty violent on his neck. I think he aggravated it again in the Bama game. I don't think he ever had an actual concussion.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
The helmets that are offered are the most advanced helmets avail for concussion and trauma prevention. I just did all the research on what’s avail before purchasing one for my son. BM was wearing a Riddell Speedflex (which is what I bought my son), I read where he switched to the new Schutt, which is their version of the Riddell. Both are excellent helmets with similar construction. My guess is it’s a mental thing, or the schutt May provide more neck support/protection than the Riddell? Can’t say? Both are great helmets.
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All curiosity aside.lots of respect for doing research to ensure your son’s safety.a lot of parents would just take any kind of helmet without researching what’s the best to prevent any head trauma or damage so mad respect.

But yes!..I seen Wes post about hw he made the switch and I was just curious as to why.maybe we have some equipment or inside guys that could elaborate further on the matter concerning the switch.
 
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BruinVol said:
I think the confusion is there can be a difference between being in concussion protocol and having a concussion
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I don't see anyway that Mauer passed concussion protocol and they didn't bring him back against Bama. The whole reason they have concussion protocol is to see if a player can come back in the game or not.
 
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jakez4ut said:
didn't know we had so many doctors on VN.............................

or did you all just stay at a holiday inn express?

lol
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Speaking of doctors correct me if I am
Wrong


Doctors can’t diagnose a concussion on the field. Then can only detect symptoms and remove them from activity. True concussion confirmation comes hours later after more test



Am I correct?
 
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BruinVol said:
Speaking of doctors correct me if I am
Wrong


Doctors can’t diagnose a concussion on the field. Then can only detect symptoms and remove them from activity. True concussion confirmation comes hours later after more test



Am I correct?
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yeah, that's correct....though they can diagnose at the stadium once he's off the field immediatley after the injury...get the kid in teh locker room or the tent and run their tests. heard many times after a player is taken out that he's got a concussion in an injury update from the sidelines....so they can diagnose relatively quickly.

if i had to guess, i'd guess the MSU had more to do with the neck than a concussion just based on how participatory BM was on the sidelines during the rest of the game and post game for MSU.

but for the bama game, how he was handled, and removed from the field, looked more like how a concussion would be handled.

both of those are JMO.

either way, he's had back to back head/neck injuries, at least 1 was a concussion....but we're told 2. and i don't know what htey have to gain by lying about that or misrepresenting the facts, or not clarifying later if the initial report(s) were wrong.

if he can't go, he can't go. they're not going to hold him out for any other reason except to protect his health...which is the right thing to do.

i get why this is a story and narrative, but really, it's not worth much until at least Thursday. all we have now is a bunch of people speculating on something they don't have all the facts on.

just a bucn of Web MD's.......lol.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, that's correct....though they can diagnose at the stadium once he's off the field immediatley after the injury...get the kid in teh locker room or the tent and run their tests. heard many times after a player is taken out that he's got a concussion in an injury update from the sidelines....so they can diagnose relatively quickly.

if i had to guess, i'd guess the MSU had more to do with the neck than a concussion just based on how participatory BM was on the sidelines during the rest of the game and post game for MSU.

but for the bama game, how he was handled, and removed from the field, looked more like how a concussion would be handled.

both of those are JMO.

either way, he's had back to back head/neck injuries, at least 1 was a concussion....but we're told 2. and i don't know what htey have to gain by lying about that or misrepresenting the facts, or not clarifying later if the initial report(s) were wrong.

if he can't go, he can't go. they're not going to hold him out for any other reason except to protect his health...which is the right thing to do.

i get why this is a story and narrative, but really, it's not worth much until at least Thursday. all we have now is a bunch of people speculating on something they don't have all the facts on.

just a bucn of Web MD's.......lol.
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Yea that’s not what I was thinking was the process.

I thought trainers/doctors removed players for suspension of a concussion but after a number of hours and more test the concussion was either confirmed or ruled out.

I certainly could be wrong but hearing a player has a concussion I thought meant they are suspected to have one with further test to follow
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, that's correct....though they can diagnose at the stadium once he's off the field immediatley after the injury...get the kid in teh locker room or the tent and run their tests. heard many times after a player is taken out that he's got a concussion in an injury update from the sidelines....so they can diagnose relatively quickly.

if i had to guess, i'd guess the MSU had more to do with the neck than a concussion just based on how participatory BM was on the sidelines during the rest of the game and post game for MSU.

but for the bama game, how he was handled, and removed from the field, looked more like how a concussion would be handled.

both of those are JMO.

either way, he's had back to back head/neck injuries, at least 1 was a concussion....but we're told 2. and i don't know what htey have to gain by lying about that or misrepresenting the facts, or not clarifying later if the initial report(s) were wrong.

if he can't go, he can't go. they're not going to hold him out for any other reason except to protect his health...which is the right thing to do.

i get why this is a story and narrative, but really, it's not worth much until at least Thursday. all we have now is a bunch of people speculating on something they don't have all the facts on.

just a bucn of Web MD's.......lol.
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I think it's time to drop the thing. As you say it is what it is but for crying out loud it isn't worth 50 pages on this thread. Let Bruin start himself a new thread. Anybody can be an internet doctor. Pruitt isn't making the decision. Its out of his hands. He wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. Whoever starts will be a Vol and wearing the Orange, Black, or Gray and that's what matters this week
 
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BruinVol said:
Yea that’s not what I was thinking was the process.

I thought trainers/doctors removed players for suspension of a concussion but after a number of hours and more test the concussion was either confirmed or ruled out.

I certainly could be wrong but hearing a player has a concussion I thought meant they are suspected to have one with further test to follow
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i think it's all situational. some are probably easier to figure out than others.

like Jeudy the other night......they put on a new chin strap, asked him if he was ok, and sent him back out there.

they didn't test for anything.

if they sit the player down and actually test him, then they can figure it out usually. and usually if he does get diagnosed, he's taken to the locker room, and if he comes back to the sideline, he's usually out of uniform or at least his helmet was left in the locker room.

but yeat, plenty of guys have been pulled, and not returned to a game because they've been diagnosed iwth a concusssion at the stadium. happened to Maurer against Bama. :)

you see it maybe more in the NFL now....but they can diagnose concussions waaay faster than they used to....and for the most part, the protocol says, if i'm not mistaken, if they're not sure, they're to err on the side of caution.
 
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Tstormtrooper said:
I think it's time to drop the thing. As you say it is what it is but for crying out loud it isn't worth 50 pages on this thread. Let Bruin start himself a new thread. Anybody can be an internet doctor. Pruitt isn't making the decision. Its out of his hands. He wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. Whoever starts will be a Vol and wearing the Orange, Black, or Gray and that's what matters this week
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yep.
 
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Imo there is very little chance 18 had a concussion against MSU because I find it very unlikely a concussed player would be allowed to be so active in celebration. Also vomiting and being groggy are the most likely symptoms of a concussion


Call webmd @jakez4ut
 
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BruinVol said:
Imo there is very little chance 18 had a concussion against MSU because I find it very unlikely a concussed player would be allowed to be so active in celebration. Also vomiting and being groggy are the most likely symptoms of a concussion


Call webmd @jakez4ut
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Why are we arguing the semantics of head injuries? Maurer has taken hits in two straight weeks that resulted in him being pulled from the game.

That’s not good no matter how you try to spin it. And if he could play Pruitt would have had him out there.
 
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