Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[BruinVol]

Man, stfu. I had to read through 40 pages of you being a contrarian chump. Miss me with that ****.

Man I can’t wait to see JG chase that personal selfish glory by throwing the ball down the field every play Saturday. Gunslinging son of a selfish gun he is

 

[BruinVol]

Well done!

I have calmed down after the weekend. I still hope BM starts and plays on Saturday but if it’s JG I hope he plays extremely well and we have a victory. Even running the quarterback sneak and not handing the ball off he was still trying to score he just made a stupid play. Hopefully they take the reigns away from him and he runs what is called. I just want to get to 6 wins no matter who the qb is and that starts this weekend

 

[BruinVol]

How hard is it to imagine that JG saw a chance to play hero by keeping the ball and scoring the TD that would put us within one score of Bama? Not a big leap IMO. In fact, the way you arrogantly dismiss the idea makes you look rather ignorant IMO. Without even attacking JG, I could easily understand the motivation for such action. He came into the season as a starter with high hopes and has severely underperformed. He's been the target of every fan's frustration, and is most surely frustrated with himself. So he sees a chance to play hero and maybe turn it all around, but fails. Not a big leap in logic there. At what point does all that criticism for "not taking chances" make him say "**** it" and take a chance? I mean, he's just been watching as a true freshman takes his job. You don't think he's frustrated with himself, looking to turn it all around? That seems rather ignorant to me.

How hard is it to believe JG wants to win as bad as any other player and made the wrong choice that he thought a QB sneak was the best way to do so???


I mean he had gotten 2 yards on the previous QB sneak.

Maybe just maybe he tried to make a play that would help his team win??????

 

[pharmvol10]

And this ends Arkansas football forever

When did it start?

 

[Weezer]

Good a place as any to deposit this opinion I’ve been saving for a rainy day. In this world of this means that and that means this, reality isn’t always the byproduct of majority narratives posted. Take the BEST QB’s this season and rewind two seasons for perspective. Tua was benchridden as was Burrow with established starters in front of them. Tua is now sold as an inevitable that was going to happen, but the story from his own camp is that he was one half of a championship game from transferring...maybe truth somewhere in the middle. Burrow was similarly shining pine in his third year (one redshirt) eagerly awaiting the court ruling that would cap JT Barrett’s eligibility at a decade. That settled, he was envisioning at best a winner take all competition with Dwayne Haskins but had to anticipate all world dual threat Tate Martell as a viable threat (gotta wait for that TRUTH thing). When the dust settled, Haskins won the job and Burrow bet on himself and grad transferred to of all QB development havens...LSU. Back in Tuscaloosa, Tua seized that opportunity and could do no wrong after delivering that championship and we have a new player...Jalen Hurts. Considered a product of surrounding Bama talent, he played the good soldier and let his HC milk another season of eligibility off his docket. Actually saved the season in the SEC Championship Game and could have rested his lone remaining time as a legend. Bet on HIMSELF and grad transferred to an Oklahoma program that didn’t lend itself to his heretofore conservative passing talent. Burrow in the meantime had a SOLID season and Baton Rouge was grateful because SOLID was better than they had experience at the QB position in recent memory! Maybe hope for a little better improvement with a year of starting under his belt? BOOM! Two players sold as good talents but not great having phenomenal seasons and setting records! Sometimes the only difference in greatness is OPPORTUNITY to be so. This long winded PSA was actually shortened because there are other examples of such in college football. “I see this so that means this” has been wrecked in reality court so many times that I’d have to create it’s own forum to flesh out a small portion...and nobody’s got time. If Maurer can’t play, I hope Shrout gets at least a fraction of our freshman phenom’s leash against the Gators before drawing up his walking papers.

I think you mean Cocks, not Gators.

 

[BruinVol]

I recall a time VN wanted its qb to “want the ball in their hands with the game on the line”


I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to show he cares”

I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to take charge and lead”


And now when a QB did all
Those things and it failed they blame him for selfishly calling his own number. The hypocrisy around here is sad really.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

How hard is it to believe JG wants to win as bad as any other player and made the wrong choice that he thought a QB sneak was the best way to do so???


I mean he had gotten 2 yards on the previous QB sneak.

Maybe just maybe he tried to make a play that would help his team win??????

Well maybe he should've told his teammates of his attentions so they could block for a sneak and not for the play that was called and they thought they were running. If JG isn't selfish then he has the worst football IQ ever.

 

[Weezer]

How hard is it to believe JG wants to win as bad as any other player and made the wrong choice that he thought a QB sneak was the best way to do so???


I mean he had gotten 2 yards on the previous QB sneak.

Maybe just maybe he tried to make a play that would help his team win??????

Which is basically what I said. But he went with his own call, not the call of the coaches. The rest of the team was quite obviously running a different play. Sure, JG was playing to win, but he took it all upon himself in that moment rather than being a team player. That's referred to as being selfish. Win as a team, lose as a team, but JG didn't make a team choice. He chose to try and score himself and it backfired royally. Are you arguing he shouldn't be held accountable for a personal decision he made in that moment?

 

[Volator]

I recall a time VN wanted its qb to “want the ball in their hands with the game on the line”


I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to show he cares”

I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to take charge and lead”


And now when a QB did all
Those things and it failed they blame him for selfishly calling his own number. The hypocrisy around here is sad really.

I recall a time when a poster said he was leaving and not returning. Yet here you are so you are well versed in hypocrisy.

 

[volatil]

When did it start?

Well I remember Arkansas being really good. They used to have top 10 teams. 1990 Cotton Bowl, 1998 Stoerner Stumble game, way back in 60’s won National Championship. As a UT fan I’m glad football existed outside the 2000’s

 

[BigOrange15]

Man I can’t wait to see JG chase that personal selfish glory by throwing the ball down the field every play Saturday. Gunslinging son of a selfish gun he is

Make sure you pat him on the head too and tell him what a good, unselfish boy he is while you keep white knighting for him.

 

[bignewt]

I recall a time VN wanted its qb to “want the ball in their hands with the game on the line”


I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to show he cares”

I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to take charge and lead”


And now when a QB did all
Those things and it failed they blame him for selfishly calling his own number. The hypocrisy around here is sad really.

Everything you say trying to pump up JG, I got 4 words in rebuttal:

HE. IS. A. LOSER.

 

[Weezer]

I recall a time VN wanted its qb to “want the ball in their hands with the game on the line”


I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to show he cares”

I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to take charge and lead”


And now when a QB did all
Those things and it failed they blame him for selfishly calling his own number. The hypocrisy around here is sad really.

Trying to do something single-handedly while the rest of the team is running a completely different play is not "taking charge" or "leading". If he runs the play as called and it gets stuffed, no one is complaining about him. The complaint is he decided to do his own thing without even telling the rest of the team. They went one way, he went another.

 

[franklinpence]

Man. Had taken him off ignore back in the spring. He earned his spot back on the list today.

 

[BruinVol]

Well maybe he should've told his teammates of his attentions so they could block for a sneak and not for the play that was called and they thought they were running. If JG isn't selfish then he has the worst football IQ ever.

Oh I think his football IQ is about as low as his confidence right now.

I’d like to know if he had the power like many QBs to change the play to a sneak and if so what broke down in communication because that obviously was a problem


Imo I think in that case if the qb rushes to the line and runs a quick play the call is supposed to be a sneak but when 74 was late lining up JG didn’t adjust and ran the sneak when every one else thought it the sneak wasn’t being run.

It’s very common all over football for QBs to rush their team to the line in short yardage and run the sneak. That’s what appeared to me was supposed to happen until 74 was late getting into position


Anyone know if 74 was on the field on 3rd down or did he run on from the sidelines?

 

[BigOrange15]

Trying to do something single-handedly while the rest of the team is running a completely different play is not "taking charge" or "leading". If he runs the play as called and it gets stuffed, no one is complaining about him. The complaint is he decided to do his own thing without even telling the rest of the team. They went one way, he went another.

He knows that, anyone with half a brain cell knows that. He just saw the way the wind was blowing with JG and just had to carry water for him to be a contrarian. He and JG deserve each other.

 

[BruinVol]

Trying to do something single-handedly while the rest of the team is running a completely different play is not "taking charge" or "leading". If he runs the play as called and it gets stuffed, no one is complaining about him. The complaint is he decided to do his own thing without even telling the rest of the team. They went one way, he went another.

I agree with that but we don’t know the details of what happened. See my last post

 

[butchna]

I recall a time VN wanted its qb to “want the ball in their hands with the game on the line”


I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to show he cares”

I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to take charge and lead”


And now when a QB did all
Those things and it failed they blame him for selfishly calling his own number. The hypocrisy around here is sad really.

When they LEAD, I’d like them to not leave the rest of the team in camp.

 

[volatil]

Everything you say trying to pump up JG, I got 4 words in rebuttal:

HE. IS. A. LOSER.

Kinda feel like you are trying to tell us something here

 

[chargervol]

Good a place as any to deposit this opinion I’ve been saving for a rainy day. In this world of this means that and that means this, reality isn’t always the byproduct of majority narratives posted. Take the BEST QB’s this season and rewind two seasons for perspective. Tua was benchridden as was Burrow with established starters in front of them. Tua is now sold as an inevitable that was going to happen, but the story from his own camp is that he was one half of a championship game from transferring...maybe truth somewhere in the middle. Burrow was similarly shining pine in his third year (one redshirt) eagerly awaiting the court ruling that would cap JT Barrett’s eligibility at a decade. That settled, he was envisioning at best a winner take all competition with Dwayne Haskins but had to anticipate all world dual threat Tate Martell as a viable threat (gotta wait for that TRUTH thing). When the dust settled, Haskins won the job and Burrow bet on himself and grad transferred to of all QB development havens...LSU. Back in Tuscaloosa, Tua seized that opportunity and could do no wrong after delivering that championship and we have a new player...Jalen Hurts. Considered a product of surrounding Bama talent, he played the good soldier and let his HC milk another season of eligibility off his docket. Actually saved the season in the SEC Championship Game and could have rested his lone remaining time as a legend. Bet on HIMSELF and grad transferred to an Oklahoma program that didn’t lend itself to his heretofore conservative passing talent. Burrow in the meantime had a SOLID season and Baton Rouge was grateful because SOLID was better than they had experience at the QB position in recent memory! Maybe hope for a little better improvement with a year of starting under his belt? BOOM! Two players sold as good talents but not great having phenomenal seasons and setting records! Sometimes the only difference in greatness is OPPORTUNITY to be so. This long winded PSA was actually shortened because there are other examples of such in college football. “I see this so that means this” has been wrecked in reality court so many times that I’d have to create it’s own forum to flesh out a small portion...and nobody’s got time. If Maurer can’t play, I hope Shrout gets at least a fraction of our freshman phenom’s leash against the Gators before drawing up his walking papers.

Agreed, especially on Shrout getting the same leash. And I have zero problem with them slowly working him in while they work with him.
There are phenoms that win the starting job outright the day they walk on campus but it's far from the norm. "Shrout must suck if JG starts" is silliness imo. Heard a lot of good things about him and there's just an area they are working on, apparently but that's their job.

Chances are he ends up thrown in the fire earlier and if he doesn't look like Manning, folks need to remember that doesn't mean he never will. Or if he does, that doesn't mean he did 3 weeks or 15 practices ago.

 

[BruinVol]

Everything you say trying to pump up JG, I got 4 words in rebuttal:

HE. IS. A. LOSER.

It appears that many many posters feel this way

If it’s so easy to see he’s a loser how do you posters keep supporting Pruitt if he keeps putting him out there??

If he makes such an easy decision and plays a loser shouldn’t we make a change after this season and get a coach that clearly sees what a loser looks like?

 

[Dudley Smith]

I don't know if I'd say Maurer has developed faster than JT.

I think RPO is honestly the main reason Maurer went from true freshman to backup to starter. It's a dynamic you give your QB that completely changes how often defenses blitz. It's why despite rarely throwing the ball Kentucky's offense beat Arkansas and was able to hang in there with Georgia for the first half.

Having a QB that can successfully run RPOs is just an extra threat to help an offense move the ball. It's honestly one of the reasons JG was so bad in Butch's offense and is still not "getting it" when it comes to audibles and play selection. I really feel like it's a gut feeling more than film study and the truly elite QBs have it. Peyton did a ton of work in the film room, but on game day he knew just from how the game was going when was the right time to dial up the appropriate play. Don't believe that, rewatch the first super bowl win against the Bears, he didn't have a great personal performance but the way he called that game offensively was masterful.

Hard to overstate how much better of a feel for the RPO game that Maurer has over JG.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

I recall a time VN wanted its qb to “want the ball in their hands with the game on the line”


I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to show he cares”

I recall a time when VN “wanted their QB to take charge and lead”


And now when a QB did all
Those things and it failed they blame him for selfishly calling his own number. The hypocrisy around here is sad really.

They blame him for selfishly calling his own number while not changing the blocking scheme to match.

How ignorant can you be?

Do you ever question why so many people disagree with you?

 

[butchna]

I recall a time when a poster said he was leaving and not returning. Yet here you are so you are well versed in hypocrisy.

Read an impassioned William Wallace speech and charged off towards freedom with his dangles flopping out of his kilt...understandable why he identifies with Guarantano. Got far enough away and no one followed him...or cared. Talked to himself, realized he hated that guy, ate his horse and skulked back to the only thing that pays attention to him...George Costanza style. True story.

 

[bignewt]

It appears that many many posters feel this way

If it’s so easy to see he’s a loser how do you posters keep supporting Pruitt if he keeps putting him out there??

If he makes such an easy decision and plays a loser shouldn’t we make a change after this season and get a coach that clearly sees what a loser looks like?

It's called a lack of options, pretty obvious to see that. He put a true freshman out there as soon as he could. What does that tell you?