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smokeyz1 said:
I semi-agree with your point that we did have some talented players under the Butch regime. The sad part was how Butch let the S&C program go to sh!t. It has taken 2 years of a normal S&C program to get the team back to where they can throw a TE 5 yards back and blow up a running play against #1 Bama.
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Eh. Lawsons assistant took over. They were doing virtually the same things. You had some divas that took advantage of a no back bone staff but for the most part the players still worked hard. That’s really over blown imo. Was it a problem? Absolutely. But some people act like we never even picked up a weight.
 
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HankHill said:
16 had warrior who had a great game and made a game changing play. Byrd whos won us a game. Callaway who’s our best or 2nd best WR, Bituli is our best LB, Alexis Johnson was a nice player too. Same with 17. There’s a lot of quality production in that class. Trey, Chandler, Palmer, cimaglia, Theo, Sham, Tim Jordan etc.

Sadly huge bust at QB effects both.
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Yeah QB, OL, DL big whiffs. And that’s where you win.
 
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ndubvols said:
Jones left some talented pieces at the skill positions. The problem was he didn’t leave much of anything on the lines of scrimmage, which is evidenced by the fact that we’re only playing 2-3 guys he recruited there and the rest are juco/transfers/freshman.
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Emerson, Trey, calbert, that’s basically it this year right?
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Lmao me too. I’ve toned down the cursing during games at the request of my wife and I just haven’t gave a crap nearly as much this yr but my goodness he gets under my skin and I just call him a fing douche the whole time
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I can’t even watch the games with people as much as I curse at the tv during our games. I leave my neighbor 12 bottles of wine a year for the yearly disturbances, she knows whether we won or not based off how expensive the bottle of wine is. Lol
 
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An unreal stat mentioned at one point was 10/12 of our fouls were offensive. Gotta get that side cleaned up. Shoot ourselves in the foot wayy too often. Seems to be a disease we've had for 3 years, especially in the red zone. I believe Jack Jones vs UF began the disease.
 
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Devo182 said:
An unreal stat mentioned at one point was 10/12 of our fouls were offensive. Gotta get that side cleaned up. Shoot ourselves in the foot wayy too often. Seems to be a disease we've had for 3 years, especially in the red zone. I believe Jack Jones vs UF began the disease.
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10/13 of our fouls called were offensive.
 
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HankHill said:
Emerson, Trey, calbert, that’s basically it this year right?
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From the JR/SR classes it’s really just Trey and Darrel Taylor (depending where he lines up) that are every down contributors. Mathew Butler and Calbert are coming along and look like they’ll be solid pieces. Ryan Johnson/Tatum/locklear have all essentially been passed up. Emerson was recruited by butch, but is only a RS FR so wouldn’t really include him.
 
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Devo182 said:
An unreal stat mentioned at one point was 10/12 of our fouls were offensive. Gotta get that side cleaned up. Shoot ourselves in the foot wayy too often. Seems to be a disease we've had for 3 years, especially in the red zone. I believe Jack Jones vs UF began the disease.
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We had more called in the first quarter than the whole season to date. We were the least penalized team in the league, afaik, until bama ref fiasco.
 
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HankHill said:
Eh. Lawsons assistant took over. They were doing virtually the same things. You had some divas that took advantage of a no back bone staff but for the most part the players still worked hard. That’s really over blown imo. Was it a problem? Absolutely. But some people act like we never even picked up a weight.
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Does that response mean Butch's S&C program was bad or good? Poor S&C programs have been the downfall of many coaches over the years. It's not a coincidence that Butch's program started spiraling downhill about 6 mos to a year after Lawson was fired.
 
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When we trot JG out against SC
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smokeyz1 said:
Does that response mean Butch's S&C program was bad or good? Poor S&C programs have been the downfall of many coaches over the years. It's not a coincidence that Butch's program started spiraling downhill about 6 mos to a year after Lawson was fired.
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I don’t think it was anything special nor do i think it was non existent. I don’t think it was any different than any of the other half dozen S/C programs we had under some other coaches. Things got highlighted bc of a select few players that didn’t buy in and thought they were bigger than UT. The vast majority of the team was still getting their work in which is why you had players perform well even in Pruitts first year. When you get to this level it’s more about the individual players being committed and putting the time and work in especially in the off season than it is who is running the program bc you’re gonna be working with the S/C assistants more than the head guy. Guys like Byron, monatrio hardesty before etc. but with butch letting some guys get away with slacking on workouts it set a bad example and further added to the toxic culture that had been building. It’s more of a cultural problem in my eyes than it ever was about physical strength or speed.
 
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Specs said:
With most things in this world, you can get within spitting distance of reality just by following the money. And man does a lot of money flow through college football - all the way from the media and entertainment outfits covering the sport to the cartel that profits by denying the players a paycheck all while merchandising their likeness. Buts thats a story for another day.

Any place you find this much cash you also naturally find corruption, grift, and nepotism among others. Here Im going to talk about a few things that will get you dismissed as a conspiracy theorist, at least by the same people doing the skimming.

College football reality number 1: Referees actively influence the outcome of games
Many peoples first thought is about a powerful person sending out instructions to throw a game, or about referees having a secret rooting interest. While the latter undoubtedly happens on a small scale, this is not generally how stuff is done. Instead, leagues have interests such as getting their representative teams into playoffs, high vis bowl games, and setting up regular season 'clash of the titans' type events. More eyeballs on a TV screen means more leverage when it comes time to renegotiate those TV contracts.

If you are, say, the SEC commissioner its absolutely not in your interest for a struggling nobody to beat your bell cow, spoil a 1v2 regular season match up, and probably lose 1 spot in the playoffs (you can get 2 in otherwise). Sending out instructions to toss a game is super dangerous. Communications will be intercepted or leaked by disgruntled employees and if the integrity of the game becomes openly questioned the money train is over. You do however control who is hired, fired, given choice assignments, promoted, &ct. Anyone who has worked in an organization can tell you what kind of actions will get you a pat on the head and what will get you a boot in the ass. Wielding this kind of soft power gets you what you want while maintaining plausible deniability.

College football reality number 2: 'Sports' and 'Journalism' should never be seen together in any sentence other than this one
If this kind of thing is as obvious and prevalent as it is - and it is - why dont we hear more about it? It comes back to the integrity of the sport. ESPN wants your eyeballs on that TV screen just as much as the NCAA does. The bodies covering the sport could investigative-journalism themselves up hundreds of articles exposing the various small time corruptions in and around college athletics. There are some decent journalists out there that do just this, but they'll be marginalized by the gorillas in the room. Thal Shalt Not Question The Integrity Of The Game. Hell its so bad now that they have to pull in ex-referees to explain why that obviously bogus call is correct actually.

Add to this that all the 'big time' sports writers that are practically stenographers in an incestuous relationship where scoops are traded for positive coverage *cough* Dan Wolken *cough* and you have a complete circle where every actor is completely invested in making the world a worse place - all in the pursuit of dollar bills.

So no, its not a conspiracy theory to say we got actively and knowingly jobbed. Its a conspiracy theory to say we didnt.
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Every single thought I've had on the subject and presented so very well.

Damn fine job.
 
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