Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Pane di mais]

Disagree. As I pointed out he had 4 new offensive personnel on staff for 2008. At the end of that season you would have likely seen changes made to correct the issue. 2007 we were in the SEC Title game. Had he not been fired we likely go 6-6 and make a bowl (probably win that too), so 2009 wouldn't have been as rough as it ended up being.

You have to start with the premature bus and roses celebrations and blowing the shot at a 2nd national championship in 4 years. In one sense, going into that game was the peak. It would have changed everything for many years to come. Then continue 2002 to 2008. Then you can understand what he's talking about.

The years leading in to that -- beginning with CFP's first game, standing in for Majors, was one of the greatest games we've ever played. And it was up and up thru the natty. But there was always the issue that F could never beat somebeotch who shall go unnamed, even with the best rosters in school history. If Billy Ratcliff hadn't made that one play, knocking him onto that arky qb's foot, things would look different: like a long long train of almost there.

I wonder if there is a split between people who remember all of that and people who have only watched the **** storm that came in the sequel and read about those days?

But from the 2001 sec title game thru 2008 was extremely frustrating. And look at the last 4 conference records.

But I said I was going to abstain on this subject for a while.

 

[HankHill]

Not Clemson 2015-2019 level, but we would have been right back to 8 win minimum seasons.

GDit I’m really talking myself into Papaw Phil riding again.

Uncle Phil* but yes. I’m completely on board with it. He loves Tennessee more than any of us and players will do anything for him. Bulk of the battle of being a head coach is recruiting and motivating. Won’t have to worry about those two under him.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I can see how winning 10 games then fighting for bowl eligibility the next season could get frustrating over the course of a decade.

He is also in the toughest division in football and plays Bama every year. He has won the west twice, one SEC championship, one national championship appearance, 62-30 overall, only coach in the SEC to beat Saban, they are ranked in the top ten now and undefeated. If you wouldn’t take that right now compared to the last decade of football we have endured, I don’t know what to say. I would love some consistent 8 win seasons with a couple 10-11 win seasons. Alcohol sales would double in Neyland from my family and I.

 

[HankHill]

I don't think firing Fulmer was a bad decision. I don't think he would have turned the ship. Meyer and Saban were owning him. The program really got a shot in the arm when we hired Kiffin.

Not hiring Cutcliffe over Dooley was about as bad of a decision a person could make. That's not hindsight, most of us said that at the time.

meyer was owning everybody and continued to do so at Ohio state. He’s a top 5 coach of all time. It’s ok to lose to them lol

 

[BeecherVol]

Disagree. As I pointed out he had 4 new offensive personnel on staff for 2008. At the end of that season you would have likely seen changes made to correct the issue. 2007 we were in the SEC Title game. Had he not been fired we likely go 6-6 and make a bowl (probably win that too), so 2009 wouldn't have been as rough as it ended up being.

When Cut left and come back that was his shot. When he moved on the second time it was over.
In 07' which was the bright spot during the last 3 years they lost to Cal by 14, UF by 39, and Bama by 24. We were going the wrong way.

09' ended up being a 7-5 transition year. It wasn't all that rough. You had a terrible performance against Ole Miss but you curb stomped UGA, beat a ranked SC team by 18, competed with UF and had a FG attempt to beat Bama on the last play.

You can disagree but the fact is, nothing was pointing toward Fulmer getting it back to good, much less mirror what Clemson has done.

 

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I like CPF and I think he is doing a great job, but if he is really trying to backstab his own hire to backdoor into a chance to top Neyland as winningest coach: not a fan of that. In the f---ing least. But I do NOT believe that of him. He loves the team. Real love. If you wanna see something fun one day, go look up that old game where he is playing guard and the Vols beat Penn State and some back they had named Franco Harris. CFP makes some mean blocks.
Majors' lil bro returned the heck outta some kicks that day. I found it on youtube one night.

 

[JCP201]

You can make an argument that Fulmer shouldn't have been fired if you lean on what has happened since. You can't based off anything he was doing at the time.
There wasn't any evidence to support the idea he was fixing it, much less being what Clemson has been the last 6 or so years. His best days were in the rear view.

He had two Heisman candidates recruited for quarterback (Clemson got the benefits of one-- We all know now how important a good quarterback can be.) He was breaking in a new offense and had just won the SEC the previous year. I don't see how you can think the best years were behind him. I have argued that firing Fulmer was a mistake since it was done, and I certainly won't change my mind now, seeing what this team has become.

 

[BeecherVol]

he hired a bad OC. He had one of the best defenses in the country his last year
With many of the same returning the next year including Eric Berry and dan Williams.
He also would’ve had tahj boyd playing QB. I think we would’ve been fine.

From a timing standpoint I agree. Fulmer trusted Cut, I think he stepped on Clawson's because he didn't. That hire needed time that Fulmer didn't have.
I think Cut coming back and leaving again opened a lot of eyes.

 

[Pane di mais]

Also, I think Cutcliff was overrated. I think that depends on whether you sat through those games in person losing to sob, including Peyton's final shot, in the f---ing rain. Not. Fun.

 

[SmokinBob]

Getting the band back together with fulmer?!?!?
“According to industry sources, Fulmer wouldn’t hesitate to coach again, as he remains bitter how he lost the gig in 2008. The 69 year-old sees what is happening with UNC’s Mack Brown (68) and Kansas’ Les Miles (65).

“If that job opens its him assuming the chair” a source said. “I don’t see him firing Jeremy and going to the market.” Another source added: “There’s no doubt Coach Fulmer wants to be on the sideline again”

"industry sources" - "a source" - who are these "sources"? I think you just quoted folks speculating, trying to sound like they know something when they really don't. They're just trying to stir 'ish, imho.

 

[BruinVol]

Also, I think Cutcliff was overrated. I think that depends on whether you sat through those games in person losing to sob, including Peyton's final shot, in the f---ing rain. Not. Fun.

Good grief

 

[MoCo_Vol]

When Cut left and come back that was his shot. When he moved on the second time it was over.
In 07' which was the bright spot during the last 3 years they lost to Cal by 14, UF by 39, and Bama by 24. We were going the wrong way.

09' ended up being a 7-5 transition year. It wasn't all that rough. You had a terrible performance against Ole Miss but you curb stomped UGA, beat a ranked SC team by 18, competed with UF and had a FG attempt to beat Bama on the last play.

You can disagree but the fact is, nothing was pointing toward Fulmer getting it back to good, much less mirror what Clemson has done.

One of the best win percentages and all-time win/loss records not just in UT history, but all of college football. Wasn't going to "get it back to good" after a single season of 5-7 where he had to replace his entire offensive staff?

I do disagree, and there's nothing "fact" about your opinion of whether or not Fulmer could bounce back the following season.

2006 when they went 9-4 he lost to Florida by a single point, LSU by 4 and @ Arkansas by 17. Wasn't exactly "losing" his touch.

Shoot if 2007 when we played for the SEC title and won 10 games isn't good enough then you're never going to be satisfied.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Also, I think Cutcliff was overrated. I think that depends on whether you sat through those games in person losing to sob, including Peyton's final shot, in the f---ing rain. Not. Fun.

If you think the tandem of Fulmer and Cutcliffe was overrated, I can’t imagine what you think of the program as a whole.

 

[Pane di mais]

@HankHill , no one said F can't go to Kansas or UNC. You think LSU should bring back the mad hatter?

 

[Rishvol]

Not Clemson 2015-2019 level, but we would have been right back to 8 win minimum seasons.

GDit I’m really talking myself into Papaw Phil riding again.

Report for temp ban

 

[UTProf]

Not Clemson 2015-2019 level, but we would have been right back to 8 win minimum seasons.

GDit I’m really talking myself into Papaw Phil riding again.

Clemson 2015-2019 wouldn't exist if we hadn't fired Fulmer. They should thank us every day for it.

 

[yourstruly23]

I was a little too young in my fandom to understand what was going on at this time, but after a little digging, I completely understand why we are cursed.. Our administration really was retarded,

My only thing is, UGA did Mark Richt basically the same way? Why are they not suffering?

 

[HankHill]

@HankHill , no one said F can't go to Kansas or UNC. You think LSU should bring back the mad hatter?

no bc orgeron has learned how to be a successful head coach at a power program. Coach DL and recruit. Basically what fulmer did her. Coach OL and recruit.

 

[UTProf]

I was a little too young in my fandom to understand what was going on at this time, but after a little digging, I completely understand why we are cursed.. Our administration really was retarded,

My only thing is, UGA did Mark Richt basically the same way? Why are they not suffering?


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They didn't hire a child coach who their AD knew ahead of time was a one-and-done should the highly likely sanctions hit his dream school. And they didn't compound that mistake by hiring another daddy's boy to follow it up. Nor did they....

 

[Kingston Vol]

Clemson 2015-2019 wouldn't exist if we hadn't fired Fulmer. They should thank us every day for it.

For sure. And their rise has contributed to our decline as well. We used to get the top guys out of North and South Carolina every year.

 

[scvolfan7]

I was a little too young in my fandom to understand what was going on at this time, but after a little digging, I completely understand why we are cursed.. Our administration really was retarded,

My only thing is, UGA did Mark Richt basically the same way? Why are they not suffering?


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Because UGA went and got the perfect guy for the job and we hired a douche bag that Al Davis told us not to hire

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Georgia was very deliberate in what they did and hired a former player who was likely MORE devoted to Georgia success on his first Day there than most first time HC ever are.

 

[BeecherVol]

He had two Heisman candidates recruited for quarterback (Clemson got the benefits of one-- We all know now how important a good quarterback can be.) He was breaking in a new offense and had just won the SEC the previous year. I don't see how you can think the best years were behind him. I have argued that firing Fulmer was a mistake since it was done, and I certainly won't change my mind now, seeing what this team has become.

He won the east in 07', not the SEC. He hadn't won the SEC in a decade. Bama (41-17) and UF (59-20) had passed UT by with Meyer and Saban, that wasn't changing.

 

[Pane di mais]

It wouldn't have taken a miracle-worker to recruit in the immediate sequel to CFP like it does now.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Fulmer stays and UT has Petty and/or Boyd in that 2009 class too.

Could have been a very elite tenure for whichever of those QBs had taken the job from Crompton.