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VolGee4 said:
I was fine with Norvell, but he would need to lay out his plan for a high level DC. He is limited this year at QB. He should be able to get a dynamite QB at a P5 school.
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I floated his name...unacceptable! Mid major! Gambling addict!
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
So if Pruitt gets a pass this year, whats the min # of wins he needs to keep his job in 2020? I see 6 wins there max.
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VolGee4 said:
I was fine with Norvell, but he would need to lay out his plan for a high level DC. He is limited this year at QB. He should be able to get a dynamite QB at a P5 school.
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Well he would have been a better fit with Jones's players. That said, I think he would've topped out at 8, 9 wins a year. At least if Pruitt continues to recruit SEC lineman and LBs we should eventually have a chance to compete with Ga, Fl, and Bama....but we gotta flip the roster, so we gotta suffer 2-3 losing seasons to do so.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Nieds isn't going anywhere. just gave him $150k raise, and Pruitt and Fulmer know he can't go anywhere.

the roster has issues. it's good to very good at the oldest spots (15 class) and good to very good at the very youngest spots (19 class). lotta meh in the middle. this really isn't debatable. the 16, 17 classes weren't great. top end was good, but in that 16 class...here's your top 5 highest rated guys for all the star gazers that think we have all this talent that's just being wasted:
Nigel Warrior, JG, Kongbo, Tyler Byrd and Callaway.

next 5: bituli, marquil osbourne, ryan johnson, CFA, alexis johnson.

2 guys out of those 10....?

2017...top 5...Trey Smith, Ty Chandler, Maleik Gray, Eric Crosby, Will Ignont
next 5....Jordan Murphy, Labruzza, Bumphus, Butler, Kivon Bennett

maybe 3 or 4 if you want to count the recent contributions of Bumphus and Bennet........?

i'm leaving the 18 class out for now simply because there's several red shirts involved, and it'll be better judged next season. but i dont' think i'd be going out on a limb in saying that there's some questions in that class too.....

aside from Jennings and Taylor, the lone leftovers from the 15 class, out of these 20 kids, this is the group we should be seeing leading the team, setting the tone and being significant contributors or starters...that are PRODUCTIVE.

there's just not enough of them...and way too many "busts".

i'm not telling you i think the coaches are awesome. i am telling you that the roster is #1 on the list of things that needs fixed before we do anything--specifically DL/Pass rush and QB. and firing pruitt now doesn't help with that....if nothing else, i think he and this staff have at least shown they can evaluate and recruit. so let them continue to do that.

if this thing continues to go south, well, there's only way it ends anyway. in the meantime, we should be doing whatever we need to to rebuild the roster....and i'm sorry, all the coach and player bashing in the world just doesn't do a thing to help in this regard.

so if for no other reason than that, we need any and all reasons to believe in the future.....it's gonna be the 21 season before we're able to a) judge progress from now to then and b)see what the direction really is.....this is assuming Pruitt isn't fired. i don't see us signing an instant impact, top 5 type class this year, so you take the foundation of this 19 class and foundation of the 20 class, and you have develop the rest....and that just won't happen overnight.

if he is fired, then it's 22 or 23 before we get answers to those questions, depending on what year he's fired....the new guy will have the same problems, with what would probably be a patchwork 20 class, and he'll likely have a frankenstein roster of CBJ, CJP and the new guy's kids on it.....

either way, i think i'm more convinced now than i was before, that this is a longer rebuild than many thought....there is no "just get a good coach and we'll be instantly better" fix. that's just dumb. it's at least as big a gamble as keeping CJP for any extended period of time....we haven't gotten our first choice when the situation was better than it is now, so i don't know why there's still a notion we could go do it this time around, when the situation is what it is currently...(roster questions, leadership questions, booster questions etc...)

Pruitt isn't perfect, and he's made too many mistakes. no one can really aruge that. but most of what we're dealing with, and will be dealing with, is situationally driven...and having an understanding of the situation (or at least a willingness to acknowledge that it exists) would go a long way with how most of us react to what's going on right now. you factor in ESD and the 25 cap rule coming in to play at the exact same time we hired this guy, with the need to flip the roster, well, those two rules don't exactly help a program/coach in our current predicament....we're at leat 2 cycles of 25 away from doing that.

no one should be happy with what we're having to deal with........again. and no one should think things SHOULDN'T change. but there are things that can be changed quicker than others....and we're seeing some of that already take place with the portal, and i'm sure we'll see some more at the end of the season as i would expect a couple coaches to change.....

there's a realistic way of looking at this situation and how to approach it....and there's a very trollish way to do it.....you decide which is which....

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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Well he would have been a better fit with Jones's players. That said, I think he would've topped out at 8, 9 wins a year. At least if Pruitt continues to recruit SEC lineman and LBs we should eventually have a chance to compete with Ga, Fl, and Bama....but we gotta flip the roster, so we gotta suffer 2-3 losing seasons to do so.
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Yea, it’s hard to predict stuff like that. Norvell is s smart guy. He’s a great recruiter. I think he could figure it out. Only Saban has lost more assistants in the last 2 years than Norvell (15). He just needs to figure out his defense.
 
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