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OGbabyaviVol said:
What should we have expected when Butch wanted to be gone the year before? That’s why Bama Dave should have kicked him to the curb.
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Such a weird position to be in. You beat Florida and Georgia, but lose to South Carolina and Vandy. If that ain’t purgatory if you’re an AD...
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Here's what is a tough pill to swallow...seems like all the talk is, "well the talent on the roster is young, most the upperclassmen are Butch holderovers and that are subpar, we gotta give CJP time (4-5 years) to flip the roster." Ok, makes sense. But then you see teams like the mighty Maryland Terps score 79 and 60-something in back to back games. You see UNC 2-0 with Mack Brown, and I am sure there other instances. So if our problem is our roster, your telling me UNC and MD have better rosters. Seems hard to believe.
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Some coaches take over decently developed players that just had poor game day coaching.
Others take over poorly developed talent and culture.

One of those takes longer to fix.
We'll see if that's the case here 🤷‍♂️
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Question for the day:

Are Shrout and Maurer really so terrible that they can’t even make the coaches consider giving them a shot?

Pruitt looked absolutely furious after some of JG’s throws Saturday. As furious as we’ve seen him except for the time he kicked a whiteboard.

If JG can make him that furious and he still won’t even entertain the thought of giving another guy a shot, then the either other guys must be truly terrible or Pruitt doesn’t have a feel for how assess whether a QB is ready or not.
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Personally he hired chaney for a reason and that was because he didn’t want to worry about the offense as much.so I think you let your OC make the change if need be and open up the playbook you’re paying this man so much money only to hinder is ability to use the playbook because of horrible QB play...it’s not hard to understand your QB is garbage when you’re leaving easy points off the board because of multiple missed reads game after game and year after year.i know Pruitt is no Lyle but this is becoming Lyle Logic.I think butch would still even make the switch if that says anything.
 
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Vols4us said:
It's a simple answer. Shrout also has a gun, but he's also not mobile. We don't know if he processes what he sees faster than JG or locks on like JG or if he can pre-snap read the D better than JG. Maybe he does, but we know Mauer has attributes that buy time and create offense to reduce dependence on the QB's competence relating to the above. We know he has the attitude of a winner and a quality arm.
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Is a QB who can create with his legs really a necessity for this offense though? The OL has been pretty decent in pass protection thus far. They’ve given JG some chances to make big plays and he’s just blown most of those opportunities.

Seems like what we really need is a QB who can make those throws JG keeps missing.

I just doubt that Pruitt wants a simple answer. I have seen nothing in over a year and a half to tell me he gets it as a HC. So far he's demonstrated that he would rather lose consistently with the stupid answer. As a HC you know that a quality offense is your best defense while you rebuild your roster.
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You really don’t think Pruitt would like a simple solution to our problems? It’s not like we’re sitting on an Adrian Martinez. Both of our backup QBs were projects and it seems like having to throw either of them out there freaks him out.

As for the bolded part, I’m not sure that’s true at all. Justin Wilcox isn’t running his rebuild through the offense. Saban didn’t rebuild Bama as an offensive juggernaut. You can rebuild a team through a defense. It’s been done plenty of times. Given Pruitt’s background, I don’t see why we’d expect any different.


I think this is more likely: Pruitt is still learning as a HC, he took on a huge rebuild, and he hasn’t figured out how to handle an offensive roster that is deeply flawed in its lack of a signal caller worth a damn.

We’ll see how he does as the season goes on. If he can keep the team together and manage to find 5-6 wins somehow, that would be impressive given the disastrous opening to the season IMO.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Question for the day:

Are Shrout and Maurer really so terrible that they can’t even make the coaches consider giving them a shot?

Pruitt looked absolutely furious after some of JG’s throws Saturday. As furious as we’ve seen him except for the time he kicked a whiteboard.

If JG can make him that furious and he still won’t even entertain the thought of giving another guy a shot, then the either other guys must be truly terrible or Pruitt doesn’t have a feel for how assess whether a QB is ready or not.
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I think he is trying to manage JG's fragile ego. He can't throw him under the bus....what recruit would want to play for a coach that "publicly" throws a player under the bus. He is managing this situation the best he can behind closed doors. One of the other QB's will play vs UTC....don't know how long, but they will play. It is silly that the fans want CJP to publicly castrate JG, when fans and former players are already doing that. Piling on him is not going to make him a better QB. Best thing for JG to do is to enter the transfer portal. Maybe go play at a lower level school...the pressures of being a QB with the expectations are too much for him.
It seems like he is afraid of failing, and so he is failing. I guess it is something like performance anxiety when you meet a new woman....I have heard about this. Never has happened to me though.
 
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UTSuave’ said:
Personally he hired chaney for a reason and that was because he didn’t want to worry about the offense as much.so I think you let your OC make the change if need be and open up the playbook you’re paying this man so much money only to hinder is ability to use the playbook because of horrible QB play...it’s not hard to understand your QB is garbage when you’re leaving easy points off the board because of multiple missed reads game after game and year after year.i know Pruitt is no Lyle but this is becoming Lyle Logic.I think butch would still even make the switch if that says anything.
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Do we know Chaney doesn’t feel the same way, though?
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Often the simpliest explanation is the solution...problem is our fanbase has been patient, now going through or 3rd rebuild. Blame first 2 on bad ADs, coaching hires. Blame second on an overrated QB. Overrated by our staff. Problem is we could've had Howell.
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How? He didn't even visit....Tyson Helton was his recruiter....stop making up stuff because you are mad. That is childish....
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Question for the day:

Are Shrout and Maurer really so terrible that they can’t even make the coaches consider giving them a shot?

Pruitt looked absolutely furious after some of JG’s throws Saturday. As furious as we’ve seen him except for the time he kicked a whiteboard.

If JG can make him that furious and he still won’t even entertain the thought of giving another guy a shot, then the either other guys must be truly terrible or Pruitt doesn’t have a feel for how assess whether a QB is ready or not.
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I honestly believe it's possible they could be worse, at least at this moment. Unpopular opinion but the opposite is based on what exactly?.
"I just can't believe they could be any worse"
I want to say that also but it's not a fact. I get the logic "interceptions are gonna happen" but Maurer threw 2 interceptions vs 0 TDs.. against our defense!

JG's 14 point swing helped cost us the game, what would a 28 point swing do?

I still want to find out but folks writing it as fact that it couldn't be worse... I've seen too many starters suck only to later find out why they were the starters, to pretend it's not possible.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Is a QB who can create with his legs really a necessity for this offense though? The OL has been pretty decent in pass protection thus far. They’ve given JG some chances to make big plays and he’s just blown most of those opportunities.

Seems like what we really need is a QB who can make those throws JG keeps missing.



You really don’t think Pruitt would like a simple solution to our problems? It’s not like we’re sitting on an Adrian Martinez. Both of our backup QBs were projects and it seems like having to throw either of them out there freaks him out.

As for the bolded part, I’m not sure that’s true at all. Justin Wilcox isn’t running his rebuild through the offense. Saban didn’t rebuild Bama as an offensive juggernaut. You can rebuild a team through a defense. It’s been done plenty of times. Given Pruitt’s background, I don’t see why we’d expect any different.


I think this is more likely: Pruitt is still learning as a HC, he took on a huge rebuild, and he hasn’t figured out how to handle an offensive roster that is deeply flawed in its lack of a signal caller worth a damn.

We’ll see how he does as the season goes on. If he can keep the team together and manage to find 5-6 wins somehow, that would be impressive given the disastrous opening to the season IMO.
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1.)The fact he is mobile enough to evade pressure or a collapsing pocket is a major plus! Not a need.keep a defense honest has been one issue of many

2.)You never know what you have in waiting on a depth chart.For an example Dobbs was in the 3 deep.some people are just different when the lights come on,JG is a practice QB with no signs of improving.Shrout was more of the project between the two QB’s.he had like 29 tds and 29 interceptions lol.Brians is all mechanics which is something you can fix on the fly.He isn’t as far behind as many think just because he’s 3rd on the depth chart.i just think Pruitt does it by experience.
 
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chargervol said:
I honestly believe it's possible they could be worse, at least at this moment. Unpopular opinion but the opposite is based on what exactly?.
"I just can't believe they could be any worse"
I want to say that also but it's not a fact. I get the logic "interceptions are gonna happen" but Maurer threw 2 interceptions vs 0 TDs.. against our defense!

JG's 14 point swing helped cost us the game, what would a 28 point swing do?

I still want to find out but folks writing it as fact that it couldn't be worse... I've seen too many starters suck only to later find out why they were the starters, to pretend it's not possible.
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If you go back and watch that game and just compare Brian’s play to JG’s,that would be enough for me.two different energies man.you forget to mention the fact that when Brian got into the red zone they ran like 3 straight running plays,completly changed the playbook on him and personally I think he would have scored.
 
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Just because I'm bored and want to spark a convo.

Eric Gray, will he beat the all time rushing record?

Or is he going to be a 500 rush 500 rec type of guy.

Obviously hard to judge now, but kind of curious and it's fun to think about.
 
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UTSuave’ said:
1.)The fact he is mobile enough to evade pressure or a collapsing pocket is a major plus! Not a need.keep a defense honest has been one issue of many

2.)You never know what you have in waiting on a depth chart.For an example Dobbs was in the 3 deep.some people are just different when the lights come on,JG is a practice QB with no signs of improving.Shrout was more of the project between the two QB’s.he had like 29 tds and 29 interceptions lol.Brians is all mechanics which is something you can fix on the fly.He isn’t as far behind as many think just because he’s 3rd on the depth chart.i just think Pruitt does it by experience.
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Mobility is an added plus, but not a necessity. The #1 thing the offense is missing right now is a QB who can make big throws.


I guess what I’m getting at is there’s no real reason to assume Maurer is what we need and not Shrout. We’ve only seen them once, really (in the spring game) and Shrout was better. If he can go in and just be an upgraded version of JG, that would be enough for the offense right now.
 
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UTSuave’ said:
If you go back and watch that game and just compare Brian’s play to JG’s,that would be enough for me.two different energies man.you forget to mention the fact that when Brian got into the red zone they ran like 3 straight running plays,completly changed the playbook on him and personally I think he would have scored.
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Doesn't bother me at all to admit that but once again, we can't use believing as a fact.
Remember, they've had several scrimmages that we haven't seen. If the answer is sitting right there, no way I'm believing that the staff just refuses to take it and win, just because.
I think the backups will be ready, but were they 2 weeks ago? Last week?
And they may be next week, but doesn't mean they already were.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Question for the day:

Are Shrout and Maurer really so terrible that they can’t even make the coaches consider giving them a shot?

Pruitt looked absolutely furious after some of JG’s throws Saturday. As furious as we’ve seen him except for the time he kicked a whiteboard.

If JG can make him that furious and he still won’t even entertain the thought of giving another guy a shot, then the either other guys must be truly terrible or Pruitt doesn’t have a feel for how assess whether a QB is ready or not.
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I think another reasonable question is "how long does it take to determine that there are two JGs...practice JG and game JG?". It is not unreasonable to give a RSJR a couple of games in a new system with a new OC before you determine that there is something fundamentally off there. Given his apparent emotional fragility, if you bench him and both of the other guys stink it up, you may be worse off than before. These questions are above my pay grade, but I assure you it isn't as straightforward as "JG sux, play the freshman". I would think benching him would be a decision they make very cautiously. You gotta believe they want to get the freshman in the UTC game, even if it is just to determine who the "backup" :wink wink: is.
 
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UTSuave’ said:
Given how quick Chaney will switch a QB if it’s not working,I think Pruitt is preventing that.
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That’s based on what? Where have we seen him switch a QB quickly? Wasn’t he the guy who rode with Matt Sims over Bray until Suns got hurt? UGA didn’t play Fromm until Eason got hurt.

The only time I can remember him yanking a QB for poor play while at UT was Bray against Vandy in 2012, and Bray started the next game when Chaney was interim HC.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
Just because I'm bored and want to spark a convo.

Eric Gray, will he beat the all time rushing record?

Or is he going to be a 500 rush 500 rec type of guy.

Obviously hard to judge now, but kind of curious and it's fun to think about.
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He’ll probably have a shot. Or best offensive strategy at this point is probably just to ride him and chandler as far as they’ll take us and let Cimaglia do work.

I just worry about those two holding up down the stretch. I wish we had a bigger back to mix things up a bit.
 
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