Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[BearCat204]

Last week the complaint was he hates JJ so he refuses to throw to him lol. JG is just not that good, and our OL is even worse. JG isn't as bad as you guys say though. Seeing the wide open person who isn't your first read doesn't happen when your OL sucks. That's most college QB, not just JG. He's been running for his life his whole career, it's habit by this point to lock in on his first look because most times he only has time for one look. Woth our OL, it's not going to matter a lot who the QB is.

He had virtually no pressure on him this Saturday night against one of the better defensive lines in the country

 

[Kingston Vol]

Substandard? Pruitt did very well last year to close the way he did starting off in a busted position thanks to Butch. He recruited some studs at key positions and evaluating a few under the radar kids who will contribute.

Guess you would prefer your boy Butchie's inflated classes by over signing skill players and 4 stars no other SEC will take. Again, we understand your agenda.

Ah, yes, it is I, known Butch lover. You have me pegged.

 

[Skizer41]

And it’s not like he’s been selling playing time that well either. Recruiting has been substandard under this coaching staff and without results on the field will only get worse.

I think given the state of our program he has recruited pretty good.
Are you in the "stick with JG because he's trying" crowd and thinks it's all in the coaching?

 

[TrippieRedd]

And it’s not like he’s been selling playing time that well either. Recruiting has been substandard under this coaching staff and without results on the field will only get worse.

Top 11 class is substandard after a 5-7 season. k got it

 

[MoCo_Vol]

100% going to get bashed, don't care.

I don't know how people are bashing Pruitt for not being able to develop talent. Is it his fault that the Jr. and Sr. classes have sucked since they have been here? Yes, he should still be working and developing the kids, but you can only help them so much. If you look at the 16, 17, 18 classes, they aren't good, yeah they have a couple of players here and there that have panned out but the rest are not good, not trying to crap on our team, but let's be real. I for one think he has developed some of the freshmen class (arguably his only class, yes yes I know the 18 class is his, he should of been recruiting instead of coaching Bama, yeah I get it) but Gray is pretty good, Toot is good, the freshmen O-linemen are playing alright, Burrell needs a little time, but he isn't doing awful. Pruitt needs more time and another class of his own. It will turn around once Butch's guys are completely gone
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I agree. I think one mistake (for better or worse) that Pruitt made coming in to last season, and I contribute this to it being his first HC job. Is he trusted Helton to be capable of OC/QB Coach. When he should have had the QB coach from the beginning. Also, I think as a first time HC it might have been better for him to find his QB from the beginning, even if that meant starting a freshmen and him taking the lumps.

 

[Skizer41]

JG did all that to start the game. Perhaps it was “fake” but the outward body language was that of a leader when the game started

I think it's a case of he'll do the actions of a leader. However you're only a true leader if people follow you. I don't know of very many on this team that view home as a true leader.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Last week the complaint was he hates JJ so he refuses to throw to him lol. JG is just not that good, and our OL is even worse. JG isn't as bad as you guys say though. Seeing the wide open person who isn't your first read doesn't happen when your OL sucks. That's most college QB, not just JG. He's been running for his life his whole career, it's habit by this point to lock in on his first look because most times he only has time for one look. Woth our OL, it's not going to matter a lot who the QB is.

 

[TrippieRedd]

I agree. I think one mistake (for better or worse) that Pruitt made coming in to last season, and I contribute this to it being his first HC job. Is he trusted Helton to be capable of OC/QB Coach. When he should have had the QB coach from the beginning. Also, I think as a first time HC it might have been better for him to find his QB from the beginning, even if that meant starting a freshmen and him taking the lumps.

Everyone expecting top 5 classes and championships are clueless. We aren't what we use to be. That doesn't mean we can't get back there. I'm here for the top 10-15 classes and 8-4 seasons then propel from there. I'd rather be patient this time around then go out and get a new coach and implement a new system and culture.

 

[cnick14]

100% going to get bashed, don't care.

I don't know how people are bashing Pruitt for not being able to develop talent. Is it his fault that the Jr. and Sr. classes have sucked since they have been here? Yes, he should still be working and developing the kids, but you can only help them so much. If you look at the 16, 17, 18 classes, they aren't good, yeah they have a couple of players here and there that have panned out but the rest are not good, not trying to crap on our team, but let's be real. I for one think he has developed some of the freshmen class (arguably his only class, yes yes I know the 18 class is his, he should of been recruiting instead of coaching Bama, yeah I get it) but Gray is pretty good, Toot is good, the freshmen O-linemen are playing alright, Burrell needs a little time, but he isn't doing awful. Pruitt needs more time and another class of his own. It will turn around once Butch's guys are completely gone
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Couldn’t agree more, he’s got to be allowed time.

 

[AppStVol]

Ah, yes, it is I, known Butch lover. You have me pegged.

Pegged for what you are. Butt hurt over your crew at VQ being shut out by this staff and driving a negative agenda against Pruitt on here.

You can point to a lot of things about Pruitt developing as a coach, but recruiting is not an issue at this point.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I feel like this season is closer to that "first year" feel, lots of youth on defense. His first real class and we're seeing tons of them playing quality minutes already. Good improvement and growth in the OL already.

I love the staff, I really do. I think JG may just be "who he is" and I can't fault the guy, really can't. Not every QB is a stud or a natural leader. He's had 4 different OCs in 4 years, had 3 different guys at HC and has only had a QB coach for this season. It's caused setbacks mentally that I think only show up in game action, because in practice ya typically don't get hit and ya often -know- the defensive coverage your going against already.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I think given the state of our program he has recruited pretty good.
Are you in the "stick with JG because he's trying" crowd and thinks it's all in the coaching?

Recruiting is “pretty good.”

Dooley’s three classes: 7th, 14th, 19th // avg. 13.3
Butch’s 4 classes: 25th, 7th, 4th, 14th // avg. 12.5

You’d say all of those were “pretty good” but none of them bridged the talent gap between us and the top of the SEC.

Pruitt’s 3 classes: 21st, 13th, 22nd (right now - 3/4 wins will make sure it doesn’t improve) // avg. 18.6

So yes, it is “substandard” by comparing it to previous staffs’ recruiting output. And it is certainly substandard by SEC comparison.

 

[RikidyBones]

Recruiting is “pretty good.”

Dooley’s three classes: 7th, 14th, 19th // avg. 13.3
Butch’s 4 classes: 25th, 7th, 4th, 14th // avg. 12.5

You’d say all of those were “pretty good” but none of them bridged the talent gap between us and the top of the SEC.

Pruitt’s 3 classes: 21st, 13th, 22nd (right now - 3/4 wins will make sure it doesn’t improve) // avg. 18.6

So yes, it is “substandard” by comparing it to previous staffs’ recruiting output. And it is certainly substandard by SEC comparison.

Not sure you want to use Butchs classes here. A review of them will make you look foolish.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Pegged for what you are. Butt hurt over your crew at VQ being shut out by this staff and driving a negative agenda against Pruitt on here.

You can point to a lot of things about Pruitt developing as a coach, but recruiting is not an issue at this point.

Why are they “my crew” over at VQ? I don’t have a subscription over there and never have. And they’re not “shut out” lol - they know everything happening on campus and always will. They have sources way over any head coach’s head. “Driving a negative agency” is also comical - those guys told us we were going 7-5/8-4 and that JG was going to leave for the draft this season. They sunshine pump more than anyone.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Remember when we thought Solomon was good?

 

[Kingston Vol]

Not sure you want to use Butchs classes here. A review of them will make you look foolish.

Might they have been pretty hollow? Yeah that’s probably the case. But I know how this works. The current coach finds all the diamonds in the rough and knows how to “coach them up.” The last coach had none of those traits and all their signings were busts.

Either way, we’re not making up ground on the teams we need to beat to be competitive. We need elite classes. Not “pretty good” classes. That was the expectation when we hired Pruitt and it has not come to pass.

 

[AppStVol]

Recruiting is “pretty good.”

Dooley’s three classes: 7th, 14th, 19th // avg. 13.3
Butch’s 4 classes: 25th, 7th, 4th, 14th // avg. 12.5

You’d say all of those were “pretty good” but none of them bridged the talent gap between us and the top of the SEC.

Pruitt’s 3 classes: 21st, 13th, 22nd (right now - 3/4 wins will make sure it doesn’t improve) // avg. 18.6

So yes, it is “substandard” by comparing it to previous staffs’ recruiting output. And it is certainly substandard by SEC comparison.

Why don't you tell the full story of Butch's signing classes full of busts and non contributors? The reason the weakness of our team is our upperclassmen?

 

[TrippieRedd]

Why are they “my crew” over at VQ? I don’t have a subscription over there and never have. And they’re not “shut out” lol - they know everything happening on campus and always will. They have sources way over any head coach’s head. “Driving a negative agency” is also comical - those guys told us we were going 7-5/8-4 and that JG was going to leave for the draft this season. They sunshine pump more than anyone.

they know everything, lol, yeah just stop talking

 

[butchna]

Can someone get Chaney a Patterson

The dude who got stuffed with a two yard loss on 4th and 1 last week?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Why don't you tell the full story of Butch's signing classes full of busts and non contributors? The reason the weakness of our team is our upperclassmen?

Narrative.

 

[RikidyBones]

Might they have been pretty hollow? Yeah that’s probably the case. But I know how this works. The current coach finds all the diamonds in the rough and knows how to “coach them up.” The last coach had none of those traits and all their signings were busts.

Either way, we’re not making up ground on the teams we need to beat to be competitive. We need elite classes. Not “pretty good” classes. That was the expectation when we hired Pruitt and it has not come to pass.

We are in on different types of guys. It's obvious.

With Butch, his classes had potential but he made risks and they didnt pan out. But that's why hes not here. If they did pan out, he'd still be here. That's how that works.

 

[AppStVol]

Why are they “my crew” over at VQ? I don’t have a subscription over there and never have. And they’re not “shut out” lol - they know everything happening on campus and always will. They have sources way over any head coach’s head. “Driving a negative agency” is also comical - those guys told us we were going 7-5/8-4 and that JG was going to leave for the draft this season. They sunshine pump more than anyone.

I never said you had a subscription. You don't have to have a subscription when you have a closer relationship than that would provide.

 

[Dooby15]

Why don't you tell the full story of Butch's signing classes full of busts and non contributors? The reason the weakness of our team is our upperclassmen?

The attrition of Butch’s classes is what people forget. The OL and QB in particular.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Ole boy chummed the water, cast his line and has the hook set deep this morning.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Why don't you tell the full story of Butch's signing classes full of busts and non contributors? The reason the weakness of our team is our upperclassmen?

A ton of them are! But by the same token you can’t say the guys moving forward in Pruitt’s classes won’t be busts. It’s a crap shoot. Recency bias kicks in here.

All we have to go by, when evaluating recruiting aptitude is star ratings and class rankings. It’s why this place things Harrison Bailey is a day one starter (stars by his name) and goes nuts any time we pass Florida in the class rankings. Its not a perfect system but it’s the one we have.