You don’t stick with a failed leader when you are a $700 million dollar brand.

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People just need to settle down. With Fulmer in charge Pruitt is safe at least to the end of the 2021 season, regardless of his record.
 
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volfanhill said:
Yea but he didn’t have 4 losses by 69 points combined to the juggernauts of Missouri, Vandy, GA State, and BYU.
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It isn't pretty but firing a head coach quickly just sends the message to the coaching world that "were not going to give you a fair chance." Why would anyone want to come here thinking they'll get fired before they can implement their system with their recruits and coaches when there's plenty of other opportunities out there.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sure thing. Now tell us a few things.

One, how much would it cost to get rid of Pruitt and most of his staff? Do you want to fire the S&C coach as well? What coach is going to want to come here kmowing they wont have 2 years? Also, who do you hire?

Its really easy days after a game to talk about what should be done to a coaching staff. Its not as simple as oh we are worth $700 million so we can get whoever we want.
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A big name, proven HEAD coach, I promise you, would be allowed the time needed to right the ship. We have not had a proven head coach since Fulmer.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
And keeping an HC who’s 0-2 against cupcakes this season is the better option?
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Actually since we are in fantasy land, I’d want Jon Gruden here. Everyone talking about who they want and who should be here isn’t dealing in reality. We ain’t dropping 10+ million on Pruitt and his staff after 2 seasons
 
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XVol64 said:
A big name, proven HEAD coach, I promise you, would be allowed the time needed to right the ship. We have not had a proven head coach since Fulmer.
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We're not getting a big name proven head coach. It's rare that they move around.

And Fulmer wasn't a proven head coach when he took over at UT. He was a coordinator with a resume that probably wasn't as impressive as Pruitt's.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
So almost winners in the AAC is what we want to turn around the “$700M Brand”?
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Now you're intentionally distorting the truth and you know it. Urban Meyer didn't win a conference title his first or his second season as a head coach; he won one in his third season, in the mighty Mountain West. So Norvell has coached a whopping one more season than Meyer did without a conference title.

By the way, Meyer is the first coach we should offer if Pruitt is let go. I realize scoffers like yourself will shout that we could never get him, just because our administration has bungled the last three hires by trying to use coupons. But if enough pressure is put on said administration that they find a change of heart and decide to get the next hire right, the right amount of money could get Meyer here, in my opinion. He didn't walk away from OSU because he got old or was having heart problems; he walked away because he was forced to because of a bad assistant. He's a type-A personality and I guarantee he's already missing it and wanting to coach again; and before some pumper on here foams at the mouth and says he wouldn't step into this situation, he's the type of personality that would embrace the challenge (remember that he started his career at lowly Bowling Green).

Also, he knows the b.s. that some on here trumpet about our talent being the worst in the history of all D-1 is just that, b.s. We don't have Bama's 2019 roster, but we every bit have as good of a roster as they had in 2007, and Meyer knows it, and knows what he could do with it.

If we offered him $9 million, he would be here tomorrow.
 
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TheDeeble said:
It isn't pretty but firing a head coach quickly just sends the message to the coaching world that "were not going to give you a fair chance." Why would anyone want to come here thinking they'll get fired before they can implement their system with their recruits and coaches when there's plenty of other opportunities out there.
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exactly. These guys need to understand that coaches watch how schools treat their coaches. No one wants to work for someone perceived to be unfair to their employees. 14 games is not going to be viewed as a fair chance by Pruitt's fellow coaches.
 
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illvol said:
Is that the norm for him or did he make a mistake? Who else on this team would you rather have there. Also tell me the coaching staff who’s players don’t make mistakes. I’ll advocate for their hire from now till Christmas but it doesn’t happen. Our mistakes are just amplified because we don’t have top talent all over the field.
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This is several levels beyond stupid. We weren't playing Clemson. We were playing BYU.

Anyone who played Pop Warner knows that if there are only 26 seconds left you keep everything in front of you. That's not a small mistake; that's a "sorry dad I just drove your Mercedes into the river after drinking a case by myself and racing a meth dealer" mistake.
 
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volfanhill said:
No brand sticks with what is obviously failed leadership. You fire quickly and hire slowly. And when I say fire quickly, I mean once it’s been shown that the person can’t perform at the level of job they have. It’s far more damaging to any brand to hang onto poor leadership then it is to pay $9 million dollars in buyouts. The longer this continues the longer you put the brand at risk.


UT Vols: Study shows Tennessee football program is worth more than $700M
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lifeisdeep said:
This is several levels beyond stupid. We weren't playing Clemson. We were playing BYU.

Anyone who played Pop Warner knows that if there are only 26 seconds left you keep everything in front of you. That's not a small mistake; that's a "sorry dad I just drove your Mercedes into the river after drinking a case by myself and racing a meth dealer" mistake.
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If your son did that would you fire yourself? Would you step down or would you make it a teaching moment and make sure it never happened again.
 
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volfanhill said:
Right around the time he has lost by a combined 69 points in his last four games to the likes of Missouri, Vandy, GA state, and BYU.
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Who is to say the new coach doesn't flop just as badly. The $700 million brand would really take a hit then.
 
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TheDeeble said:
It isn't pretty but firing a head coach quickly just sends the message to the coaching world that "were not going to give you a fair chance." Why would anyone want to come here thinking they'll get fired before they can implement their system with their recruits and coaches when there's plenty of other opportunities out there.
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I think 2-and whatever everyone understands
 
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Pride85 said:
Who is to say the new coach doesn't flop just as badly. The $700 million brand would really take a hit then.
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No more then it would under the current disaster. If you still think the jury is still out on him then you and I will never see eye to eye. IMO he’s not the right guy and holding on to him hurts far more then it helps.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Now you're intentionally distorting the truth and you know it. Urban Meyer didn't win a conference title his first or his second season as a head coach; he won one in his third season, in the mighty Mountain West. So Norvell has coached a whopping one more season than Meyer did without a conference title.

By the way, Meyer is the first coach we should offer if Pruitt is let go. I realize scoffers like yourself will shout that we could never get him, just because our administration has bungled the last three hires by trying to use coupons. But if enough pressure is put on said administration that they find a change of heart and decide to get the next hire right, the right amount of money could get Meyer here, in my opinion. He didn't walk away from OSU because he got old or was having heart problems; he walked away because he was forced to because of a bad assistant. He's a type-A personality and I guarantee he's already missing it and wanting to coach again; and before some pumper on here foams at the mouth and says he wouldn't step into this situation, he's the type of personality that would embrace the challenge (remember that he started his career at lowly Bowling Green).

Also, he knows the b.s. that some on here trumpet about our talent being the worst in the history of all D-1 is just that, b.s. We don't have Bama's 2019 roster, but we every bit have as good of a roster as they had in 2007, and Meyer knows it, and knows what he could do with it.

If we offered him $9 million, he would be here tomorrow.
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I don’t care for Meyer. He has health issues and culture issues with his staff. Also there is a chance we wouldn’t even be able to compete for his services.

I also don’t feel like selling our soul to the devil to get a guy who will cost $10M per year and only be here for 3-5 years.
 
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Pride85 said:
From most of your posts, I think the first part of my initial post in this was spot on.
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I have decided that he’s not the man for the job. In over his head. Those games are all the proof I need. You can disagree and that’s fine. But once you think he’s the wrong man he has to go. No worrying about buyouts. No worrying about image. That’s the point of my initial post.
 
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illvol said:
Proven how? Proven where? Just curious. Like Scott Frost proven? Or Chip Kelly proven? The fact is we don’t know what we have. Our staff can coach. They’re proven right? Everyone flipped their sh*t when we took CJC from UGA...now after two games you want to send him packing? Let them do their jobs. It’s gonna be tough to watch. It’s going to suck and we are going to lose games. Maybe lots of them. But if you can’t see the young players they are bringing in and how they play and the potential they have I can’t help you. With the current OL we have plus the prospective recruits and the defensive players such as Crouch and HT we are building. You can’t live in a house you haven’t finished building and you don’t fire the contractor once he gets the walls up because you can’t move in. It’s not ready, and yes, that takes time.
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Excellent post and analogy!
 
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illvol said:
Proven how? Proven where? Just curious. Like Scott Frost proven? Or Chip Kelly proven? The fact is we don’t know what we have. Our staff can coach. They’re proven right? Everyone flipped their sh*t when we took CJC from UGA...now after two games you want to send him packing? Let them do their jobs. It’s gonna be tough to watch. It’s going to suck and we are going to lose games. Maybe lots of them. But if you can’t see the young players they are bringing in and how they play and the potential they have I can’t help you. With the current OL we have plus the prospective recruits and the defensive players such as Crouch and HT we are building. You can’t live in a house you haven’t finished building and you don’t fire the contractor once he gets the walls up because you can’t move in. It’s not ready, and yes, that takes time.
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This is some common sense we should all get behind.
 
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My thoughts on the game last night:
1 the O line played great 200+ on the ground
2 the defense played better except for the one blown mind-boggling play
3 Pruitt coached his arse off on the sidelines. Ansley isn't the guy for DC... Pruitt was the one catching the miss alignments and calling TO's not the coordinator
4 Everyone else on offense played so well last night it made JG stand out like a soar thumb
5 I saw improvements
6 three players cost us the game imo: JG missed wide open receivers on several occasions, Warrior missed tackle on the 70 yard pass, and the DB who let the guy get 20 yards behind him on prevent on the 70 yard play. If JG had played better I don't they think the game would have been close enough for that one play to matter.
 
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volfanhill said:
No more then it would under the current disaster. If you still think the jury is still out on him then you and I will never see eye to eye. IMO he’s not the right guy and holding on to him hurts far more then it helps.
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Then we will never agree. I don't run home crying every time I don't get my way.
 
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illvol said:
Proven how? Proven where? Just curious. Like Scott Frost proven? Or Chip Kelly proven? The fact is we don’t know what we have. Our staff can coach. They’re proven right? Everyone flipped their sh*t when we took CJC from UGA...now after two games you want to send him packing? Let them do their jobs. It’s gonna be tough to watch. It’s going to suck and we are going to lose games. Maybe lots of them. But if you can’t see the young players they are bringing in and how they play and the potential they have I can’t help you. With the current OL we have plus the prospective recruits and the defensive players such as Crouch and HT we are building. You can’t live in a house you haven’t finished building and you don’t fire the contractor once he gets the walls up because you can’t move in. It’s not ready, and yes, that takes time.
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Preach
 
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