A Good Coach!

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sechamp2012 said:
I'm ready For Pruitt to break out too, you are exactly right all is defined by L's & W's. Last year after Auburn game there was talk on here of him being SEC COY. Then the 2 lopsided losses happened six, 25+ losses total maybe a Vol record. I never did see an explanation as to how a team with players that can beat two Top 20 teams and then lose by 25+ to 2 mediocre teams. It's like we trended up then fell off the cliff. Not sure if that is coaching or what. Our expert media never explained that part or gave any valid theories. This all gives me cause for pause or the wait and see method.
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I can't get that out of my head, either. No doubt we had some good moments in Pruitt's first season. But looming over it are those last 3 losses to unranked opponents, combined record 21-18, by a combined total of 61 points.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Rest assured folks... we'll find out what kind of coach we have THIS year. IMO...barring injury, we'll know where we are headed by Nov.
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Yep, everybody knows Dec 1 on whether UT hired the right coach. More talented than 9 of the 12 teams, no reason not to be at least 8-4.
 
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Hacksaw said:
I realize the conclusion the writer is trying to make and it's a bunch of crap. Every team has players that switch sides. It's not at all unusual. Without looking, I would guess that Butch did, too. That didn't make him a great coach. If Banks really is one of the best players on the team, you could make the argument that a good head coach should have been able to figure out what position he should play before now.
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Another of the MM. Banks has had greasy finger syndrome a lot of the time and it is holding him back as a running back. He would be a major piece of the backfield if he can get over it and no amount of coaching can correct fumblitis. We have seen several former running backs converted to linebacker with pretty awesome results in the past. The player has to step up with their work ethic to get a spot, or else hit the road. He could be a stud at middle linebacker with his power and speed.
 
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Hacksaw said:
If it was Butch, people would be criticizing him for not being able to make up his mind and this would be an example of why he's NOT a good head coach. The truth is that nothing about this decision proves anything about whether or not CJP is a good coach, or not.
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I agree that this decision isn't a determining factor if JP is a good coach. However, recognizing who your best players are and finding out how to put them in the best situations to help the team isn't as easy a task as many people think (Alvin Kamara shouldn't have been on TNs JV for 2 years, McKenzie should have been playing OG, Not DT etc)....So, IMO, while it's not a determining factor, it is a trait/characteristic of a good coach.
 
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Pride85 said:
Another of the MM. Banks has had greasy finger syndrome a lot of the time and it is holding him back as a running back. He would be a major piece of the backfield if he can get over it and no amount of coaching can correct fumblitis. We have seen several former running backs converted to linebacker with pretty awesome results in the past. The player has to step up with their work ethic to get a spot, or else hit the road. He could be a stud at middle linebacker with his power and speed.
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I agree with you and frankly I was surprised to see him back on the offensive side of the ball. I figured Pruitt knows what he's doing, but now all of a sudden he's back at LB. Just seems weird to me.
 
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EZE said:
Oh, it has been here. In fact, not merely elevating Pruitt to the same status, but stating that one would take Pruitt over Saban.

But in any event, that one event doesn’t even go far enough to show that Pruitt is even a “good” HC. Only real games will tell that story.
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Show one example of people putting Pruitt above Saban. If they did it wasn’t on ability but a dislike for Saban. But I’ll wait for the example.
 
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BigBadVol said:
Show one example of people putting Pruitt above Saban. If they did it wasn’t on ability but a dislike for Saban. But I’ll wait for the example.
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You huffed and you puffed...and were so certain with your “gotcha” tone. So, here you go smart guy, and if you want to see more, feel free to access that thread (I know this isn’t just “one” example, but maybe you can get the idea). There is a saying in the legal community: Don’t ask a question when you don’t know the answer, especially with a smug tone.

OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
If you had total control for one day, who do you build this team around? The benchmark standard Saban, our current coach Pruitt, or the heir apparent to the coaching throne Frost?

I say Pruitt.
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rickyyrs said:
Pruitt. He know what he is doing. The sleeping orange giant is about to wake up. Payback is comming for the SEC. You all will see.
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jeff1vol said:
Rest assured folks... we'll find out what kind of coach we have THIS year. IMO...barring injury, we'll know where we are headed by Nov.
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It's very possible that by November we will have played only 3 teams with a winning record..So anything better than 5-3 would definitely be progress.
 
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Hacksaw said:
If it was Butch, people would be criticizing him for not being able to make up his mind and this would be an example of why he's NOT a good head coach. The truth is that nothing about this decision proves anything about whether or not CJP is a good coach, or not.
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Jesus every single thread in which someone wants to give praise to Pruitt, you have to act like a jackwagon. Why cant you just let fans be happy about Pruitt?
 
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sechamp2012 said:
I'm ready For Pruitt to break out too, you are exactly right all is defined by L's & W's. Last year after Auburn game there was talk on here of him being SEC COY. Then the 2 lopsided losses happened six, 25+ losses total maybe a Vol record. I never did see an explanation as to how a team with players that can beat two Top 20 teams and then lose by 25+ to 2 mediocre teams. It's like we trended up then fell off the cliff. Not sure if that is coaching or what. Our expert media never explained that part or gave any valid theories. This all gives me cause for pause or the wait and see method. This is not a big risk for JP even if he flops as a HC he is and will still be top coordinator and recruiter. In other words he will still be filling up the bank. no matter.
Also there were quite a few on here wanting rid of Chaney when he was here last time but now all I see is positive retort about him. It's like above get the W's at UGA & Pitt you can do no wrong , get the L's Vols and it's all your fault.
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If you were paying close attention last year it was pretty obvious as to why we lost those games. Strength and conditioning. You see beacuse of the moronic Botch Jones, our S&C program went into the toilet. A progarm like TN should never, and I mean never go as long as we did without a proper S$C coach. That showed its ugly head last year as you could tell the players were not in good enough shape. That wasnt the only reason.

Remember what Tuttle and Phillips said? There were guys that did not fully buy in to Pruitt and his system. I think that played a pretty big part. Why didnt they buy in? Who knows. Hopefully those guys are gone now and everyone is fully bought in. As far as people wanting Chaney gone, they were obviously idiots. Oir offense was explosive under Chaney. If oir defense had even been below average, we would have steam rolled to an SECE title and a big time bowl win. So remembering that plus what he has done at UGA, of course people are excited about Chaney. We all should be. IMO, its gonna take another year or 2 to get the offense truly humming but I believe it will happen. Those who put the majority of Ws and Ls on coaches are beyond dumb.
 
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Probably more of an issue of Pruitt not trusting Banks at this point with the ball in his hands than any sure fire validation of Pruitt's coaching ability.
 
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Hacksaw said:
I can't get that out of my head, either. No doubt we had some good moments in Pruitt's first season. But looming over it are those last 3 losses to unranked opponents, combined record 21-18, by a combined total of 61 points.
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I agree with all of this . The only thing I can think of that has been stated that can hold water , or make sense to me anyways . Is what Fulmer said , we just ran out of gas ... We were very thin to start with , then we had injury's . Had people playing that didn't want to buy Into Pruitt or do things the right way . We're just now getting the bodies we need to even practice the right way . But I do feel good about Pruitt and his ability to build a culture and a standard . He knows what it takes to win championships . And he has an AD that knows what it takes from his position for a coach to be successful and to win a championship at Tennessee . And that is going to be a big positive that gets overlooked a lot IMO .
 
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I agree Ws and Ls define a coach; however, to be fair, last year's fiasco can't really be considered good or bad, taking over the worst team of all time (in the modern era) half way through the season, after being systematically destroyed by boy butch, and expect any coach to suddenly turn the program around isn't realistic. I'm interested in this year, and will be treating it as year one.
 
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graffj said:
I agree with all of this . The only thing I can think of that has been stated that can hold water , or make sense to me anyways . Is what Fulmer said , we just ran out of gas ... We were very thin to start with , then we had injury's . Had people playing that didn't want to buy Into Pruitt or do things the right way . We're just now getting the bodies we need to even practice the right way . But I do feel good about Pruitt and his ability to build a culture and a standard . He knows what it takes to win championships . And he has an AD that knows what it takes from his position for a coach to be successful and to win a championship at Tennessee . And that is going to be a big positive that gets overlooked a lot IMO .
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That's one way to look at it and you're not wrong. There's no doubt we had personnel issues, both in terms of quality and depth.

OTOH, we demonstrated what we were capable of in the win over a 12th-ranked Kentucky team in a game that was sandwiched in between those horrible losses (and the lackluster showing against Charlotte). It makes me question whether injuries is really a valid excuse -- especially when you consider that the losses to Mizzou and Vandy weren't really even close. Even with injuries we should have competed better against them. I think Pruitt would be the first one to admit that.
 
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volfannbama said:
There are certainly indication s the he is a good head coach, he just has to prove it before we label him one.
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Pruitt has an opportunity to become one of the best 2-3 coaches in Tennessee history. He grew up in a football environment, played football for most of his youth, son of a football coach, coached defenses for a number of NCAA championship teams, is aggressive with his coaching techniques, coached twice under Saban, and has Fulmer as his AD. His recruiting appears to be spot on and this year is likely to be even better than last year's. He has the best coachig staff NCAA football. He will even overcome the negative vibes of the negavols and the local media. We are on our way to where are used to be 20 years ago. I LOVE it.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Pruitt has an opportunity to become one of the best 2-3 coaches in Tennessee history. He grew up in a football environment, played football for most of his youth, son of a football coach, coached defenses for a number of NCAA championship teams, is aggressive with his coaching techniques, coached twice under Saban, and has Fulmer as his AD. His recruiting appears to be spot on and this year is likely to be even better than last year's. He has the best coachig staff NCAA football. He will even overcome the negative vibes of the negavols and the local media. We are on our way to where are used to be 20 years ago. I LOVE it.
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Meaningless chatter. Nothing wrong with that if it makes you feel better. You cant prove he has the best coaching staff in America. Vibes from "negavols" has nothing to do with his ability to coach. The only thing that proves he is a good coach is winning games and having a team that doesnt get into trouble constantly, and until those things are proven, its all just talk.
Really all you did is give other indications that he might be a good coach, which is exactly what I said, he just needs to prove it. Glad we agree.
 
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So he moved a backup RB to LB and that means he’s a good coach?

I know what’ll be even better proof that he’s a good coach: Wins. Lots of wins. A winning record.
 
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