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Rishvol said:
Hank. Hate to tell you this but America is the Gold Standard in women's soccer. They've been playing extremely sloppy and are still beating the "stars over seas"
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That’s the point... they are the best in the world, literally, and yet people are unhappy.

They are expecting men’s champions league level excitement and skill out of something that simply can’t give them that.
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
I am not sure how your are arguing about the entertainment value of the Women's World Cup when you have a baseball player as an avatar. That is literally the most boring spectator sport on the planet. I think there is more action in professional miniature golf.
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HankHill said:
1. You’re expecting American players to be on par with the level of stars over seas. It’s not even the same game they play.

2. You obviously have unrealistic expectations out of the women’s game in general. They are down to the best teams and players in the world and still isn’t cutting with you. Do you watch the lady vols and wonder why they aren’t playing above the rim?
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To your first point, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. US womens team IS the lady Vols of soccer. It is the final four teams. YES I expect them to play fundamental, smart soccer at that level. The game is no different for women than it is for men. Power and speed are different but not the rules, the dimensions, the fundamentals, etc. I'm not complaining about the speed and power. I'm taking issue with the bad fundamentals, the sloppy touches and lack of balance. That was an ungraceful display yesterday and that's the top four? yeesh.

To your second point about the lady Vols, the team when Pat was with us was fundamentally sound. Why do you view women as intellectually less capable?

We got the four best applebees steaks and it still isnt good enough at ruth Chris.
 
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HankHill said:
That’s the point... they are the best in the world, literally, and yet people are unhappy.

They are expecting men’s champions league level excitement and skill out of something that simply can’t give them that.
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they are the best in the world at a minor league genre.
No one is expecting the same fireworks. They are expecting the fireworks they have, to be set off correctly. That's it. I can find good soccer at the highest level and be entertained just like we have find good football at the highschool level. Gender doesnt matter with fundamentals and normal play. It only matters relative to the competition not cross genres. Bad soccer is bad soccer. Soccer doesnt favor men outside of speed and power, not dribbling or control.

anyways, that's my last post on it.
 
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Phil Steele has developed his own method for measuring the experience level of FBS teams. It includes things such as returning yards, returning tackles, offensive line starts, and the class makeup of the projected 2-deep. This analysis does not include an assessment of talent. Anyway, last year to start the season he had us ranked #87 most experienced in the nation and #12 in the SEC. This year he has us ranked #21 in the nation and #2 most experienced in the SEC behind only LSU.

This table has all the SEC teams plus our P5 OOC opponents for '18 & '19 and is sorted on the change in Steele's national ranking for experience from last year to this year.

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https://philsteele.com/2018/07/02/2018-experience-chart-pg-29-of-2018-college-magazine/

https://philsteele.com/2019/07/03/2019-experience-chart-pg-29-of-2019-college-magazine/
 
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utvols88 said:
To your first point, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. US womens team IS the lady Vols of soccer. It is the final four teams. YES I expect them to play fundamental, smart soccer at that level. The game is no different for women than it is for men. Power and speed are different but not the rules, the dimensions, the fundamentals, etc. I'm not complaining about the speed and power. I'm taking issue with the bad fundamentals, the sloppy touches and lack of balance. That was an ungraceful display yesterday and that's the top four? yeesh.

To your second point about the lady Vols, the team when Pat was with us was fundamentally sound. Why do you view women as intellectually less capable?

We got the four best applebees steaks and it still isnt good enough at ruth Chris.
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You’re complaining about stuff that if they were more athletically gifted wouldn’t be an issue. Stuff like sloppy touches and balance. Like i said not sure what more you’re wanting when you are literally watching the best the world has to offer
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
I am not sure how your are arguing about the entertainment value of the Women's World Cup when you have a baseball player as an avatar. That is literally the most boring spectator sport on the planet. I think there is more action in professional miniature golf.
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Not even going to step into the underlying conversation but...

If all you see when you watch baseball is guys standing around waiting for someone to throw or hit the ball, I would imagine it really is very boring. But if you're watching individual pitches and swings, thinking about the pitcher's and batter's approaches on any given at-bat (even contextually from at-bat to at-bat), and how the fielders are positioning themselves for each batter, how the batter is responding to that, how the baserunners are working the pitcher and catcher, minding the pitcher's command and pitch movement, the pitch count, who's available in relief, how that plays into the batting order or if a double-switch is necessary and if so, who for who (okay, that last one only applies in the NL since the AL dumbed things down with the DH to please the masses). There's also the context of recent performance trends as they play into each at-bat, or even the lineup, as well as head-to-head trends, personal histories (between players and/or teams), injuries, etc. I'll stop there but that's just part of what going on in the times between when the ball is in play. If you're really into the sport, there's a shitload of drama happening a lot of the time.

tl/dr: It's only boring if you don't know or don't care what's going on beyond the action. Pretty much like most sports.

Last night I gave up a chunk of my nightly Dodgers game to watch a movie with my kid. When it was over I switched back to the game and the Dodgers were down 4-3 with two outs and nobody on in the bottom of the 9th, and an 0-2 count. One strike away from a loss. The Dodgers ended up getting a walkoff win without ever putting a ball in play. Five straight walks. And it was so freakin intense the whole time. I was jumping up and down and high-fiving my daughter at the end. And we didn't see a single ball put into play. Boring, my ass.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Phil Steele has developed his own method for measuring the experience level of FBS teams. It includes things such as returning yards, returning tackles, offensive line starts, and the class makeup of the projected 2-deep. This analysis does not include an assessment of talent. Anyway, last year to start the season he had us ranked #87 most experienced in the nation and #12 in the SEC. This year he has us ranked #21 in the nation and #2 most experienced in the SEC behind only LSU.

This table has all the SEC teams plus our P5 OOC opponents for '18 & '19 and is sorted on the change in Steele's national ranking for experience from last year to this year.

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https://philsteele.com/2018/07/02/2018-experience-chart-pg-29-of-2018-college-magazine/

https://philsteele.com/2019/07/03/2019-experience-chart-pg-29-of-2019-college-magazine/
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My assessment of our talent is the official assessment.
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