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volatil said:
Top 3-5 salary and NIT do not belong in same conversation.
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Success is cyclical just like everything, especially since we are one of the few teams that don't seem to be interested or able to land 1 and done type players, Barnes' team will be special like it was this year every few years assuming player development remains consistent.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I just think the fact Blackshear had his best season at VA Tech, and VA Tech had it's best season under Buzz and he still didn't even get an invite to the NBA combine says a lot. I'm just reaching my own conclusions here, but I think Kerry felt that he likely wouldn't have a great shot to get drafted, and wasn't guaranteed to be playing ball next year at all so he took the chance to return for a grad transfer year and play close to home.
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He can play professional basketball and could have started it this year. You come back to either win (UK would be the option) or develop another year (not sold on Mike White as a big). I don’t understand playing closer to home as a grad transfer in this situation. But it’s his decision.
 
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volatil said:
Who’s selling him anywhere?

Sorry but the expectations should be very high now. He raised them. I have faith Barnes will win. NIT should not be in the conversation though. We will see how this plays out.
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It’s the chicken or the egg though. Sure, he has expectations because of his new salary, but he also earned it the last 2 years.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
It was a no brainer
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I don’t really want to get into this again - we’ve all had arguments until we’re blue in the face - but my opinion is that Grant and Admiral were special and inflated Barnes’ ability. I don’t think he’ll be worth the money going forward, but he’ll still likely be better than anyone we would have hired to replace him.
 
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VolGee4 said:
It’s the chicken or the egg though. Sure, he has expectations because of his new salary, but he also earned it the last 2 years.
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He raised them with his success. That’s what I meant by my post.

I expect sustainable success. Tennessee showed they are serious by giving him that contract. I expect NCAA tournament. We all should.
 
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VolGee4 said:
He can play professional basketball and could have started it this year. You come back to either win (UK would be the option) or develop another year (not sold on Mike White as a big). I don’t understand playing closer to home as a grad transfer in this situation. But it’s his decision.
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I just don't agree, not every NCAA basketball player is interested in going overseas to play professional basketball. A guy who has his best season not getting even an invite to the combine might think (rightfully so imo) that his chances of being drafted and having a shot at MAYBE getting on a roster in the NBA as a likely developmental league guy isn't that great.

The NBA is not the NFL when it comes to opportunities. The draft yields just 60 spots, and there was more than 60 declared underclassmen this year, not to mention all the graduating players and then on top of that all the overseas players that were eligible. I'm sorry, but I honestly think you're assumptions are a bit delusional.

Semantically speaking, sure he could have played professional ball this year I don't think it would have been in the US and I don't know for how long he would have played. Not everyone wants to grind overseas away from everyone and everything they know. Returning to school to play close to family is a big draw for a grad transfer especially one that may not even pursue basketball professionally.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t really want to get into this again - we’ve all had arguments until we’re blue in the face - but my opinion is that Grant and Admiral were special and inflated Barnes’ ability. I don’t think he’ll be worth the money going forward, but he’ll still likely be better than anyone we would have hired to replace him.
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Next year’s team will be a borderline tourney team but 2020 team could be very good if we get spring, Johnson, Walker, and another good player (like Hall). Rick will be fine
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t really want to get into this again - we’ve all had arguments until we’re blue in the face - but my opinion is that Grant and Admiral were special and inflated Barnes’ ability. I don’t think he’ll be worth the money going forward, but he’ll still likely be better than anyone we would have hired to replace him.
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Which is all that matters
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t really want to get into this again - we’ve all had arguments until we’re blue in the face - but my opinion is that Grant and Admiral were special and inflated Barnes’ ability. I don’t think he’ll be worth the money going forward, but he’ll still likely be better than anyone we would have hired to replace him.
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And that comes back to the lack of a succession plan-- which has been UT's downfall in the past. UT was, once again, caught short, and the timing was dreadful. Paying Barnes was something some felt UT had to do. But I doubt he'll find it easy money.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t really want to get into this again - we’ve all had arguments until we’re blue in the face - but my opinion is that Grant and Admiral were special and inflated Barnes’ ability. I don’t think he’ll be worth the money going forward, but he’ll still likely be better than anyone we would have hired to replace him.
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I am about 70/30 in agreement with you. I think Barnes developing Grant, Admiral, Bone, and Kyle...as well as Bowden & Turner helped inflate Barnes' ability. I'm more concerned with his old school philosophy for the money he's making he will be expected to win at a high level and if he isn't willing to pursue top tier talent (1 & done) then he may get left behind.

I'm also still a believer in Forbes being a good/great UT hire if the job ever opens up. He took over for Bartow who only won 24 games a total of 3 times in his 12 years there...Forbes has done it in all 4 years he's been there.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I just don't agree, not every NCAA basketball player is interested in going overseas to play professional basketball. A guy who has his best season not getting even an invite to the combine might think (rightfully so imo) that his chances of being drafted and having a shot at MAYBE getting on a roster in the NBA as a likely developmental league guy isn't that great.

The NBA is not the NFL when it comes to opportunities. The draft yields just 60 spots, and there was more than 60 declared underclassmen this year, not to mention all the graduating players and then on top of that all the overseas players that were eligible. I'm sorry, but I honestly think you're assumptions are a bit delusional.

Semantically speaking, sure he could have played professional ball this year I don't think it would have been in the US and I don't know for how long he would have played. Not everyone wants to grind overseas away from everyone and everything they know. Returning to school to play close to family is a big draw for a grad transfer especially one that may not even pursue basketball professionally.
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Not delusional at all. I understand a kid that may not play pro ball, and they want to chase a title. But I don’t think it’s at UF this year.

We can simply disagree, but I don’t think it’s delusional at all. Mike White hasn’t produced a draft pick in the front court. I understand if KB was a high school player or a underclass transfer. Every player wants to ultimately get paid playing basketball. It’s his decision, and I hope we beat them.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I am about 70/30 in agreement with you. I think Barnes developing Grant, Admiral, Bone, and Kyle...as well as Bowden & Turner helped inflate Barnes' ability. I'm more concerned with his old school philosophy for the money he's making he will be expected to win at a high level and if he isn't willing to pursue top tier talent (1 & done) then he may get left behind.

I'm also still a believer in Forbes being a good/great UT hire if the job ever opens up. He took over for Bartow who only won 24 games a total of 3 times in his 12 years there...Forbes has done it in all 4 years he's been there.
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I would say landing at least two top 35 players in 2020 is good recruiting. Probably add a third.

College basketball has shown you don’t need one and dones. You need top 50-75 players who will stay a couple of years and develop.
 
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BucVol98 said:
Success is cyclical just like everything, especially since we are one of the few teams that don't seem to be interested or able to land 1 and done type players, Barnes' team will be special like it was this year every few years assuming player development remains consistent.
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We aren’t landing one and done type players. Anyone who says they don’t want them are just lying.
 
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LA Vol said:
And that comes back to the lack of a succession plan-- which has been UT's downfall in the past. UT was, once again, caught short, and the timing was dreadful. Paying Barnes was something some felt UT had to do. But I doubt he'll find it easy money.
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Yep - and I know for a fact how candid he was about UCLA will come back to bite him at some point. If he doesn’t win - and win big - the fanbase will turn on him because of it.

Anyone can argue it all they want, but this fanbase went from “Butch, please!” and buttoning their collars all the way to the top to mimic him like a bunch of dorks to calling him the antichrist in 8 months. It can happen to Barnes, too.
 
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