2020 Presidential Race

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golfballs said:
Pro tip: make Dems play by their own rules

Their party has a legacy of racism and it continues to this day
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Both parties do. It wasn't that long ago (2002) that Republican Party members of the Senate included:

Jesse Helms (North Carolina), who was a segregationist that opposed busing and who was strongly against school integration, he also opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act, the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday and once argued that interracial marriage should be illegal. Helms even opposed sanctions against South Africa over apartheid.

You would be hard pressed to find a member of Congress in the last 50 years, who was any more racist than Jesse Helms.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Both parties do. It wasn't that long ago (2003) that Republican Party members of the Senate included:

Jesse Helms (North Carolina), who was a segregationist that opposed busing and who was strongly against school integration, he also opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act, the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday and once argued that interracial marriage should be illegal. Helms even opposed sanctions against South Africa over apartheid.
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Helms was a Democrat when he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Helms was a Democrat when he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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He exemplifies how the Democratic party changed and many of the Helms types became republicans during the 60's and 70's.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Helms was a Democrat when he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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This isn't true. Jesse Helms wasn't even in the Senate until 1973. So, he never voted on either of those... but he did voice opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act as a member of the Raleigh City Council in the 60's. However, all five times that he ran for the United States Senate from 1972-1996, was as a Republican.
 
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volfanhill said:
Not throwing this at you bc I think you said it earlier. The fact is white people have been racist ****s for a long part of our history. Not surprisingly they were on both sides of the political spectrum.
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That’s true for all races it just happens that one was more dominant than the others.
 
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C-south said:
That’s true for all races it just happens that one was more dominant than the others.
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Well sure. But we created this nation on the idea that all men were equal. Then immediately **** on that idea. Then went through an ugly as war. And then waited until the damn 1960’s before we said yea we were wrong. It’s crazy to me that people don’t understand why black people don’t feel like they were screwed over. I am not pro reparations. I am conservative too. But we put an entire race of people at a disadvantage. Less then 60 years ago they weren’t equal. Think about that. Your black coworkers grandfather was held down. By the government. And then we are surprised that they distrust government, police, or society. That’s on us.
 
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volfanhill said:
Well sure. But we created this nation on the idea that all men were equal. Then immediately **** on that idea. Then went through an ugly as war. And then waited until the damn 1960’s before we said yea we were wrong. It’s crazy to me that people don’t understand why black people don’t feel like they were screwed over. I am not pro reparations. I am conservative too. But we put an entire race of people at a disadvantage. Less then 60 years ago they weren’t equal. Think about that. Your black coworkers grandfather was held down. By the government. And then we are surprised that they distrust government, police, or society. That’s on us.
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I don’t entirely disagree but at present 99% of the supposed issues are self inflicted. The issue of slavery itself wasn’t due solely to whitey either. Do you ever wonder why the entire continent of Africa is a sh**hole with all of the resources they have?
 
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C-south said:
I don’t entirely disagree but at present 99% of the supposed issues are self inflicted. The issue of slavery itself wasn’t due solely to whitey either. Do you ever wonder why the entire continent of Africa is a sh**hole with all of the resources they have?
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How are 99% percent of the issues self inflicted? Poverty creates crime. We put them in the backseat for almost 200 years.
 
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volfanhill said:
How are 99% percent of the issues self inflicted? Poverty creates crime. We put them in the backseat for almost 200 years.
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Yet, the crime didn't start in their communities until 100 years after slavery ended, and coincidentally about the same that the Great Society social programs took the fathers out of the home, and Democrats took over control of all the cities.
 
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volfanhill said:
How are 99% percent of the issues self inflicted? Poverty creates crime. We put them in the backseat for almost 200 years.
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And welfare creates dependence. Special rights create dependence and demand for more special rights. There’s been cities recover from being hit with atomic bombs faster than the progress of certain minorities. Why? The easy answer is to blame whitey because nobody wants to blame themselves.
 
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During his campaign speech in Orlando on Tuesday night, Donald Trump made this claim, "We stared down the unholy alliance of lobbyists and donors and special interests, who made a living bleeding our country dry. That's what we've done." following his customary, "Drain the swamp!" applause line. This statement was made on the same day that he had already nominated Mark Esper, a former head lobbyist for Raytheon, to be the Secretary of Defense. For the record, there are already three former lobbyists for special interest groups, who are currently members of Trump's cabinet, including:

David Bernhardt (Secretary of the Interior): He is a former lobbyist for the coal and gas industry.

Andrew Wheeler (EPA Administrator): He is also a former lobbyist for the coal industry.

Alex Azar (Health and Human Services Secretary): He is a former drug company executive who oversaw lobbying efforts.

The nomination of Mark Esper for Defense Secretary is particularly troubling. Already this week, Raytheon has won multiple government contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Esper will have influence over such deals, as well as over the controversial proposed merger of Raytheon and UTC to become the largest defense company in the U.S..

It is unclear what Trump considers "the Swamp" to be... but he has definitely chosen to closely associate his administration with people who have worked as lobbyists for special interest groups. His claim in the Orlando speech on Tuesday night, was comically false.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I guess the best argument you could make for having bigger crowds at rallies, is that it could indicate which base of support is more energized and enthusiastic in support of their candidate... but I really don't think that there is any doubt that the Democratic base is energized in their opposition to Trump and will turn out in the election (which is still over 16 months away). So, I would neither completely dismiss it or make as big a deal out of it, as you seem to want to.
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I hope your whole base keeps thinking this way.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
During his campaign speech in Orlando on Tuesday night, Donald Trump made this claim, "We stared down the unholy alliance of lobbyists and donors and special interests, who made a living bleeding our country dry. That's what we've done." following his customary, "Drain the swamp!" applause line. This statement was made on the same day that he had already nominated Mark Esper, a former head lobbyist for Raytheon, to be the Secretary of Defense. For the record, there are already three former lobbyists for special interest groups, who are currently members of Trump's cabinet, including:

David Bernhardt (Secretary of the Interior): He is a former lobbyist for the coal and gas industry.

Andrew Wheeler (EPA Administrator): He is also a former lobbyist for the coal industry.

Alex Azar (Health and Human Services Secretary): He is a former drug company executive who oversaw lobbying efforts.

The nomination of Mark Esper for Defense Secretary is particularly troubling. Already this week, Raytheon has won multiple government contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Esper will have influence over such deals, as well as over the controversial proposed merger of Raytheon and UTC to become the largest defense company in the U.S..

It is unclear what Trump considers "the Swamp" to be... but he has definitely chosen to closely associate his administration with people who have worked as lobbyists for special interest groups. His claim in the Orlando speech on Tuesday night, was comically false.
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Come up with this all by your lonesome?
 
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volfanhill said:
Society/Government in this instance
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It's a tougher road to haul, but, it isn't impossible, and it isn;t improbable.

I saw it, with quite a few. It's called choices, and sacrifices, and an attitude and demeanor of an individual who wants to succeed. Not saying it is easy, or that it isn't harder. But, it is more than possible and probable to get out from poverty.

Saw it with friends who came from the poorest and meanest area's of Cincinnati. Saw it when I volunteered money and time with the most underprivileged in Cincinnati. It's about personal choices and responsibility, and making a decision to do so.

Further, it does involve the individuals having someone older who cares. This plays a major factor, more so than locality and environment. The ones who made it out had someone, mom, dad, uncle, aunt, grandparent, neighbor, someone who didn't allow them to accept and falter, but, to push and drive and do the small things daily that matter. But, people don't like talking about this part.

You fail because those around you allow it. You fail because you allow yourself to fail.

Frederick Douglas would be rolling in his grave if he were around today, because he had it worse than any young person anywhere in this country has it and they couldn't begin to comprehend what real obstacles are.

That should be what every young minority should be made to know. Guarantee you more than half don't know who he was, what he did, and most, don't care. That's a them issue, no one else.
 
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