Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[nicksjuzunk]

I've grown to really dislike Lebron. Partly because of the constant "GOAT" debates ESPN rehashes about him and MJ almost hourly, but mostly because I think if he ever had to play a game fairly called against him he'd have lesser numbers.

Never seen a player get away with so many walks and charges in my life (thus far) watching NBA ball.

The ball rolling down the court and out of bounds last year dropped my respect level 35%

 

[jakez4ut]

I have thought about that before. but wonder what kind of backlash they may receive. Just a gut feeling, but I think most will let them ride out the semester.

i think it's like LAVol said...it'll be a case by case situation....i don't see a whole lot of programs doing much to make themselves look bad to other prospects, but at the same time, there are going to be instances where it's good for both parties...like in our situation now, i'm sure we held the door open and were as cordual as possible to some of the guys that have left.

others, it's going to get to the point of "s**t or get off the pot" lol.....and even others like USCw, where you go get the kid back....Pruitt's already done that (pre portal granted) but he's talked a guy or two back in to the fold....

what you hope is that the coaches have a culture where they have that open door policy, that kids and coaches will communicate issues with each other....and they work toward a solution, even if that's ultimately going in to the portal......

 

[LA Vol]

On topic sidenote:
Hubbs and Price suggested Alabama had been "tampering" when it came to their latest transfer (to them).
Kid had entered the portal with a "do not contact" note? That he not only knew where he intended to go but that he also knew he was guaranteed Bama was going to take him. Which couldn't happen without impermissible contact..

Idk any of the details and not my statement. If they were being serious though, even more proof that the NCAA rules are useless.

Are you referring to Dickerson? Because Bama and other schools talked to him when he entered the portal the first time, before spring practice. He withdrew, then re-entered with a No Contact tag after spring practice. Not that Bama wouldn't break the rules if they felt it served them.

That's totally gaming the system. Wouldn't have worked out for most players and schools.

 

[drvenner]

You're telling me a kid from California didn't think about how much of a burden family travel to Florida (or even Oregon) would be BEFORE moving in to two separate universities?

He has already cited the reasons he left Florida. When he left, he did not speak about the burden on his family. If his mom got laid off, I can see how that significantly changes things.

 

[chargervol]

wow...

I wasn't implying it was a "missing momma" situation. I was IMPLYING actually, no I'm very directly saying it isn't a decision a kid should make without parent involvement. IN MY OPINION

It is really frustrating when you feel like someone is changing what you're saying or missing the context, isn't it

Haha, yes I was being petty and it was a cheap shot but I'm just playing!
Don't @ me bro, don't @ me!!

 

[chargervol]

Are you referring to Dickerson? Because Bama and other schools talked to him when he entered the portal the first time, before spring practice. He withdrew, then re-entered with a No Contact tag after spring practice. Not that Bama wouldn't break the rules if they felt it served them.

That's totally gaming the system. Wouldn't have worked out for most players and schools.

Think it was. Like I said, I didn't know any details and they were laughing while talking about it. They may have been exaggerating for comedic effect.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

either way. you just said they shouldn't be allowed to, and that being that far from home is the reason we see so many kids in the portal. that's just not true....whether it's your opinion or not, that's just not THE reason they're all in there.

and for this kid, there were specific reasons for both transfers. i don't think he went to FL or Oregon with the intention of transferring. i don't know what kind of support structure he has at all at home. be it good or bad, i doubt he made either decision totally alone.

no one disagrees that the parents should be involved in helping the kid make the decision...to go in the first place or to transfer out.

and i think it goes w/out saying that had he gone to USCw in the first place, that neither transfer happens...lol.

no...I said:


"shouldn't be allowed to make decisions on their own" no clue why you're removing the rest of my statement from MY OPINION.

I'll continue to have the opinion I have on the matter. You're welcome to disagree with my opinion, I'm not changing it just to appease you though. No point arguing about it.

 

[jakez4ut]

Which strengthens my opinion they shouldn't be "on their own" with the decisions.


Cliffs: Parents should invest more time into helping their kids seeing the full impact of their college decision.

who says the parents didn't invest time in helping him make any of these decisions? maybe these decisions were the result of a thoughtful process by him and his family? should he then sitll not be allowed? or does have to show his work on how they made the decision? what then, would we think if Oregon blocked the transfer? not that anyone does that anymore lol.

you're making a lot of assumptions here. you're assuming that the reason the burden of the job is related to their ability to travel to see him play. maybe they knew that seeing him play every week was just off the table due to the distance? maybe they have family they can stay with at either destination?

this is why the broad strokes don't work. we don't know any of this. it just looks fickle and we make fun of it. hell, i lol'd when i saw it too.....

and you're altogether dismissing the actual reasons the kid transferred.....

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It is really frustrating when you feel like someone is changing what you're saying or missing the context, isn't it

Haha, yes I was being petty and it was a cheap shot but I'm just playing!
Don't @ me bro, don't @ me!!

@chargervol

 

[LA Vol]

Think it was. Like I said, I didn't know any details and they were laughing while talking about it. They may have been exaggerating for comedic effect.

Yeah, IDK that much about it, either-- just that he shut down to other schools. Seems like he was Bama bound all along.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

who says the parents didn't invest time in helping him make any of these decisions? maybe these decisions were the result of a thoughtful process by him and his family? should he then sitll not be allowed? or does have to show his work on how they made the decision? what then, would we think if Oregon blocked the transfer? not that anyone does that anymore lol.

you're making a lot of assumptions here. you're assuming that the reason the burden of the job is related to their ability to travel to see him play. maybe they knew that seeing him play every week was just off the table due to the distance? maybe they have family they can stay with at either destination?

this is why the broad strokes don't work. we don't know any of this. it just looks fickle and we make fun of it. hell, i lol'd when i saw it too.....

and you're altogether dismissing the actual reasons the kid transferred.....

You're talking about Steele...I'm talking about an overall opinion that parent's should be very involved with their children's college decisions.

You ask a ton of question to which you have no answers yourself, and point out I'm the one making assumptions. Laughable logic, what are you debating about my opinion exactly here?

Do you agree or disagree that parent's should be involved in their kid's decision making about where they plan to attend college?

 

[bignewt]

No thanks roach

 

[drvenner]

It is really frustrating when you feel like someone is changing what you're saying or missing the context, isn't it

Haha, yes I was being petty and it was a cheap shot but I'm just playing!
Don't @ me bro, don't @ me!!

@chargervol

 

[Sleegro]

You're talking about Steele...I'm talking about an overall opinion that parent's should be very involved with their children's college decisions.

You ask a ton of question to which you have no answers yourself, and point out I'm the one making assumptions. Laughable logic, what are you debating about my opinion exactly here?

Do you agree or disagree that parent's should be involved in their kid's decision making about where they plan to attend college?

You keep using steele as yer example but modifying his actual reasoning to fit yer broad examples though. Everyone has acknowledged that parents should be involved. That is not what anyone is taking issue with in yer argument. Take steele out of yer argument and everyone agrees with you.

 

[jakez4ut]

You're talking about Steele...I'm talking about an overall opinion that parent's should be very involved with their children's college decisions.

You ask a ton of question to which you have no answers yourself, and point out I'm the one making assumptions. Laughable logic, what are you debating about my opinion exactly here?

Do you agree or disagree that parent's should be involved in their kid's decision making about where they plan to attend college?

well, we were talking about Steele? and yes, you painted a very broad picture that made a lot of assumptions about EVERYONE in the portal....hence the broad strokes....about a specific situation that was being discussed.

and i already siap that no one disagrees that parents should be involved....is there anyone that doesn't lol?

 

[AF_VOL]

Question for you guys, what's the earliest you would suggest bringing a child to a game? I have 15 month old twins and hadn't missed going to at least one game a season since 2009, until last season. I think they will still be too young this season, but maybe next? I'm just itching to get back, but want to bring them along.

 

[bignewt]

Question for you guys, what's the earliest you would suggest bringing a child to a game? I have 15 month old twins and hadn't missed going to at least one game a season since 2009, until last season. I think they will still be too young this season, but maybe next? I'm just itching to get back, but want to bring them along.

8 years old

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I honestly don't care what it has to do with. It is a massive inconvenience for me.

You can just use the curbside pick up service and not even walk into the store.

 

[jakez4ut]

Question for you guys, what's the earliest you would suggest bringing a child to a game? I have 15 month old twins and hadn't missed going to at least one game a season since 2009, until last season. I think they will still be too young this season, but maybe next? I'm just itching to get back, but want to bring them along.

oh, i'm against babies at the games, selfishly. they get nothing out of it and it's just work for mom and dad. some folks are good with it, so it's a to each their own deal. but i'd find a babysitter for anyone that couldn't walk on their own lol.

i took my kids to their first game when they were 6 and 9. not to say that's the "right" age, but they both got something out of it and could appreciate it. and it was Florida 2016, so we had that going for us

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You keep using steele as yer example but modifying his actual reasoning to fit yer broad examples though. Everyone has acknowledged that parents should be involved. That is not what anyone is taking issue with in yer argument. Take steele out of yer argument and everyone agrees with you.

This isn't accurate.

I made one post (below) asking YOU a question about Steele, to which you never responded directly. Any other time I mentioned Steele was in reply to someone else bringing him BACK up.

You're telling me a kid from California didn't think about how much of a burden family travel to Florida (or even Oregon) would be BEFORE moving in to two separate universities?

 

[Rishvol]

Question for you guys, what's the earliest you would suggest bringing a child to a game? I have 15 month old twins and hadn't missed going to at least one game a season since 2009, until last season. I think they will still be too young this season, but maybe next? I'm just itching to get back, but want to bring them along.

I'm itching to bring my daughter to game but I probably won't take her until she's 5 (at the earliest). That's just me though

 

[jakez4ut]

This isn't accurate.

I made one post (below) asking YOU a question about Steele, to which you never responded directly. Any other time I mentioned Steele was in reply to someone else bringing him BACK up.

your quote that started all this was a direct response to his post on the Steele article on the athletic? it sure appeared like you were framing your opinion around that specific situation as a result.

if you weren't intending that, it in no way came off that way.....

 

[MoCo_Vol]

well, we were talking about Steele? and yes, you painted a very broad picture that made a lot of assumptions about EVERYONE in the portal....hence the broad strokes....about a specific situation that was being discussed.

and i already siap that no one disagrees that parents should be involved....is there anyone that doesn't lol?

Then why are you continuing to respond and quote me with deflective replies from the only comment/opinion I've stated on the matter?

Parent's should be a big part of the decision (opinion). Nothing about stating this devalues anyone in the portal's reasoning for transferring, nothing. If the parents were heavily involved (assumption) and the kid still transfers then it's likely the parents were also involved in them deciding to transfer (another assumption).

There are exceptions to every rule, if a kid is in foster care and 18 and has no biological parents and wants to use his opportunity to travel to the other side of the country to get a fresh start then obviously that individual situation is in itself outside the broad stroke opinion, I'm not so blindly ignorant to variations in personal situations impacting my generalized opinion but it's an opinion I'm stating not a fact, not a rule, not a law just an opinion. It means absolutely zero to the NCAA, coaches, and recruits because I have no sort of impact on their decisions or life at all.

But if we all agree that parents SHOULD be involved then why am I being brought over the coals to defend that opinion?

 

[AF_VOL]

oh, i'm against babies at the games, selfishly. they get nothing out of it and it's just work for mom and dad. some folks are good with it, so it's a to each their own deal. but i'd find a babysitter for anyone that couldn't walk on their own lol.

i took my kids to their first game when they were 6 and 9. not to say that's the "right" age, but they both got something out of it and could appreciate it. and it was Florida 2016, so we had that going for us

I get that, I definitely wouldn't take them before they could sit still for an extended amount of time and watch. We went with some friends to the NC State game in Atlanta with their 2+ year old and he did pretty good watching the game, just didn't know if anyone had tried taking younger kids (2-3 years) and it worked out.

 

[jakez4ut]

Then why are you continuing to respond and quote me with deflective replies from the only comment/opinion I've stated on the matter?

Parent's should be a big part of the decision (opinion). Nothing about stating this devalues anyone in the portal's reasoning for transferring, nothing. If the parents were heavily involved (assumption) and the kid still transfers then it's likely the parents were also involved in them deciding to transfer (another assumption).

There are exceptions to every rule, if a kid is in foster care and 18 and has no biological parents and wants to use his opportunity to travel to the other side of the country to get a fresh start then obviously that individual situation is in itself outside the broad stroke opinion, I'm not so blindly ignorant to variations in personal situations impacting my generalized opinion but it's an opinion I'm stating not a fact, not a rule, not a law just an opinion. It means absolutely zero to the NCAA, coaches, and recruits because I have no sort of impact on their decisions or life at all.

But if we all agree that parents SHOULD be involved then why am I being brought over the coals to defend that opinion?

well, i think it's fairly clear your original point missed the mark when it was originally presented.

if your only point was that parents should be involved.......then yeah, i think everyone agrees with that. lol.

look at it this way, at least this gave you something to do for the last 1/2 hour.........lol.