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RyanWalkerPGH said:
Literally all of the guys I mentioned with Dobbs were gone by that time except Jennings who was injured that entire season. I'm not discrediting Dobbs at all. He was extremely underappreciated.
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Ok...you seem to be steady in the Butch Jones could recruit he just couldn't coach camp.

Can you name any NFL offensive lineman Butch brought in during his tenure here at TN? (McKenzie doesn't count)
Ok...other than Barnett who are some of the NFL defensive lineman during his tenure?

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volinexile17 said:
You are literally rewriting reality right now. The ‘14, ‘15, and ‘16 classes were full of guys with major program offers.
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No sir.
Has been discussed repeatedly how many of our 4 stars weren't pursued by our top rivals.
We have 400 offers out right now, they all SEC caliber?

Don't care which big 10 wanted them or their "offer list".
Percentage wise, how many of our commits were TRULY hard recruited by SEC heavies? Be honest, rough percentage?
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
Ok...you seem to be steady in the Butch Jones could recruit he just couldn't coach camp.

Can you name any NFL offensive lineman Butch brought in during his tenure here at TN? (McKenzie doesn't count)
Ok...other than Barnett who are some of the NFL defensive lineman during his tenure?

I will hang up and listen.
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Of the current 35 Tennessee players in the NFL 18 were Butch Jones recruits. That's not counting anyone that transferred elsewhere.

There are only 4 offensive lineman from UT in the NFL, you eliminated McKenzie which was a Butch recruit. Ramon Foster, Zach Fulton, and Ja'Wuan James are the only others.

Defensive Lineman (other than Derek Barnett)
Shy Tuttle
Kyle Phillips
LaTroy Lewis

Keep in mind that the Butch era was 2013 to 2017. A lot of the starters on this year's roster will still be Butch guys.

The question isn't could Butch recruit (it's very obvious he can). He also had some high level recruits on the lines that simply didn't pan out. Dontavius Blair (4 star OT), Dewayne Hendrix (4 star SDE), Charles Mosley (4 star DT), Kahlil McKenzie (5 star DT), Drew Richmond (4 star OT), Jack Jones (4 star OT), Andrew Butcher (4 star SDE), Venzell Boulware (3 star OT), Quay Picou (3 star DT), Chance Hall (3 star OT)

The rest of them are still on campus, so yet to be seen. Butch seemed to not be great at line recruiting though most of his highly ranked classes were skill player heavy. 2015 his highest ranked class was really the bulk of his high level line talent (bold above were in that class).
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Of the current 35 Tennessee players in the NFL 18 were Butch Jones recruits. That's not counting anyone that transferred elsewhere.

There are only 4 offensive lineman from UT in the NFL, you eliminated McKenzie which was a Butch recruit. Ramon Foster, Zach Fulton, and Ja'Wuan James are the only others.

Defensive Lineman (other than Derek Barnett)
Shy Tuttle
Kyle Phillips
LaTroy Lewis

Keep in mind that the Butch era was 2013 to 2017. A lot of the starters on this year's roster will still be Butch guys.

The question isn't could Butch recruit (it's very obvious he can). He also had some high level recruits on the lines that simply didn't pan out. Dontavius Blair (4 star OT), Dewayne Hendrix (4 star SDE), Charles Mosley (4 star DT), Kahlil McKenzie (5 star DT), Drew Richmond (4 star OT), Jack Jones (4 star OT), Andrew Butcher (4 star SDE), Venzell Boulware (3 star OT), Quay Picou (3 star DT), Chance Hall (3 star OT)

The rest of them are still on campus, so yet to be seen. Butch seemed to not be great at line recruiting though most of his highly ranked classes were skill player heavy. 2015 his highest ranked class was really the bulk of his high level line talent (bold above were in that class).
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OMG CAN WE PLEASE STOP THE CBJ REHASHING
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
Are merit badges awarded for being rainbows and butterflies all the time?

Recruiting sucks right now and we have zero momentum, but anytime anyone complains about it... it's like a bat signal to a handful of posters to don their capes and leotards and show what better fans they are.
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I just don't understand why people care to always complain about it...like we all have influence over it.

Oh wait, it's a message board, and people love to complain these days.
 
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chargervol said:
No sir.
Has been discussed repeatedly how many of our 4 stars weren't pursued by our top rivals.
We have 400 offers out right now, they all SEC caliber?

Don't care which big 10 wanted them or their "offer list".
Percentage wise, how many of our commits were TRULY hard recruited by SEC heavies? Be honest, rough percentage?
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Trey Smith, Kamara, Warrior, Sapp....Hurd probably could have gone to OSU...one of the Berry twins i think was being sought after by UGA???

anyway, you're point is correct. we we'ren't "competing" with Clemson, UGA, Bama, LSU head to head like we are now for so many.

most of the ones we did, we lost, a lot Tee Higgins and Sunshine to Clemson. that's what happened when Butch tried to up against the big boys for real.

smoke and mirrors. it was a star gazers paradise.
 
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chargervol said:
There was indeed a majority of our signees that didn't have offers from top SEC schools. People can pull up the exceptions but they were the exceptions!

Several didn't even have offers from their home state schools. No one can rewrite reality, it can be twisted but not changed.
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In the 2014 class alone, Barnett, Hendrix, Malone, Blair, Gaulden, McDowell, Bates, Helm, Hurd, Kelly, and Evan Berry all had multiple high level offers. Even Coleman Thomas, Charles Mosley, Michael Sawyers, and Derell Scott had other legitimate options. Guys like Jashon Robertson and Owen Williams didn't have great offers, but both probably ended up being the best at their positions.

The problem, plain and simple, with Butch was development, and S&C was a part of that.
 
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VolGee4 said:
In the 2014 class alone, Barnett, Hendrix, Malone, Blair, Gaulden, McDowell, Bates, Helm, Hurd, Kelly, and Evan Berry all had multiple high level offers. Even Coleman Thomas, Charles Mosley, Michael Sawyers, and Derell Scott had other legitimate options. Guys like Jashon Robertson and Owen Williams didn't have great offers, but both probably ended up being the best at their positions.

The problem, plain and simple, with Butch was development, and S&C was a part of that.
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This is it. The CBJ era will always be a "what if" for me, cause unlike Dooley who legit couldn't recruit there was talent to be a better than average SEC team. And we peaked with 8 wins twice before the wheels exploded.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Of the current 35 Tennessee players in the NFL 18 were Butch Jones recruits. That's not counting anyone that transferred elsewhere.

There are only 4 offensive lineman from UT in the NFL, you eliminated McKenzie which was a Butch recruit. Ramon Foster, Zach Fulton, and Ja'Wuan James are the only others.

Defensive Lineman (other than Derek Barnett)
Shy Tuttle
Kyle Phillips
LaTroy Lewis

Keep in mind that the Butch era was 2013 to 2017. A lot of the starters on this year's roster will still be Butch guys.

The question isn't could Butch recruit (it's very obvious he can). He also had some high level recruits on the lines that simply didn't pan out. Dontavius Blair (4 star OT), Dewayne Hendrix (4 star SDE), Charles Mosley (4 star DT), Kahlil McKenzie (5 star DT), Drew Richmond (4 star OT), Jack Jones (4 star OT), Andrew Butcher (4 star SDE), Venzell Boulware (3 star OT), Quay Picou (3 star DT), Chance Hall (3 star OT)

The rest of them are still on campus, so yet to be seen. Butch seemed to not be great at line recruiting though most of his highly ranked classes were skill player heavy. 2015 his highest ranked class was really the bulk of his high level line talent (bold above were in that class).
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Haha!!! I don't think Butch brought us Ja'Wuan James...so because Dooley sucked as a coach we shouldn't expect more from Butch? Seems fair...got it...always follow one of the worst coaches in a schools history.

I think you are reaching when you have to put Phillips and Tuttle on your list of examples. I might have missed it but what round were they drafted in? You are basically throwing up a bunch of "Butch Jones 4*"...not my words...straight from the VQ crew.

Let me take it a step further...listen to the VQ podcast from either Friday or Monday when they went through the all 90's team...that is what good recruiting looks like.
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
Haha!!! I don't think Butch brought us Ja'Wuan James...so because Dooley sucked as a coach we shouldn't expect more from Butch? Seems fair...got it...always follow one of the worst coaches in a schools history.

I think you are reaching when you have to put Phillips and Tuttle on your list of examples. I might have missed it but what round were they drafted in? You are basically throwing up a bunch of "Butch Jones 4*"...not my words...straight from the VQ crew.

Let me take it a step further...listen to the VQ podcast from either Friday or Monday when they went through the all 90's team...that is what good recruiting looks like.
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I just pulled current players on NFL rosters by college per ESPN. I'm not sure what you want exactly...Butch Jones wasn't a good coach, Dooley was also a bad coach. Butch could recruit though, nothing about being a good recruiter makes you a good coach though.

Also if it wasn't clear the only OL Butch recruited was Kahlil the other 3 predated him.
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
Ok...you seem to be steady in the Butch Jones could recruit he just couldn't coach camp.

Can you name any NFL offensive lineman Butch brought in during his tenure here at TN? (McKenzie doesn't count)
Ok...other than Barnett who are some of the NFL defensive lineman during his tenure?

I will hang up and listen.
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Again, development. It was poor. If you are referring to their size, that is how high level NFL linemen are getting groomed.

I have stated this previously. But guys like David Bakhtiari, Joe Staley, Lane Johnson, Tyron Smith, Taylor Lewan, and Russell Okung are some of the best tackles in the game that were all undersized recruits. Staley was a TE, and Johnson was a QB. They added weight and developed. You don't have to recruit a 300+ pound lineman to be successful (although it can help if they need to play quickly). I believe the strategy was ok, but the execution was very poor.
 
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Last I'm going to say on it.

We were so desperate to not be on bottom and the AD being the AD, we were content with recruiting enough talent to overcome coaching and be mediocre.
The lowest the East had been in forever and all he had to do to keep his job was get enough natural talent for mediocre results..And he couldn't even do that without legacies!

If that's "good job" to some, good for you. I have higher expectations.
 
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