Abortions and the bible.

[RikidyBones]

When the host is required for the other to live. Without the host can the fetus survive? If it cannot then its value is zero.

What's the difference of that versus someone on life support?

 

[RikidyBones]

They do not require it to live at its most basic definition.

A 9 month old baby cannot survive on it's own, in the most basic definition

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So a newborn baby can live without anyone else providing for it? A toddler? A young teen? An elderly person who cannot get around?

Can it breathe? I am speaking of a very basic definition of live. You are talking about thriving.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

What's the difference of that versus someone on life support?

The hospital is being paid to provide a service and has undertaken its obligation voluntarily.

 

[RikidyBones]

The hospital is being paid to provide a service and has undertaken its obligation voluntarily.

So Person A gets into a car crash, is rushed to the hospital but is expected a full recovery in 9 months and the hospital changes their mind in a day and doesnt want to keep them alive, they should be able to pull the plug regardless of potential recovery?

Obviously no payments are received at this point.

 

[RikidyBones]

Can it breathe? I am speaking of a very basic definition of live. You are talking about thriving.

So voluntary breathing is the qualifier? Surely you know you'll lose this one

 

[superdave1984]

Can it breathe? I am speaking of a very basic definition of live. You are talking about thriving.

Not for long it can't. A full term healthy newborn will quickly stop breathing if not given care.

 

[superdave1984]

live
verb
verb: live;
1. remain alive.

supply oneself with the means of subsistence.



life
noun
noun: life;
1. the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

2. the existence of an individual human being or animal.

 

[superdave1984]

The hospital is being paid to provide a service and has undertaken its obligation voluntarily.

The host of the developing fetus is providing a service and has undertaken its obligation voluntarily 99% of the time.

 

[82_VOL_83]

By that definition most humans under the age of about 15 and over the age of about 70 have zero value as they require other humans in order to survive.

Dumb ass statement right there.

 

[superdave1984]

Dumb ass statement right there.

How so? A huge percentage of people over 70 rely heavily on others for their basic needs of survival.

 

[82_VOL_83]

How so? A huge percentage of people over 70 rely heavily on others for their basic needs of survival.

Link?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So Person A gets into a car crash, is rushed to the hospital but is expected a full recovery in 9 months and the hospital changes their mind in a day and doesnt want to keep them alive, they should be able to pull the plug regardless of potential recovery?

Obviously no payments are received at this point.

If he cannot pay... Pull it

 

[ClearwaterVol]

For all the debate on living... Is it capable of surviving outside the womb? We shall assume that all you good Republicans will step forward and offer to voluntarily care for this unwanted urchin.

 

[superdave1984]

Link?

Go visit a nursing home. But, to be fair, here's a few.
Institute on Aging | Information on Senior Citizens Living in America
Long Term Senior Care Statistics
Fact Sheet: Aging in the United States – Population Reference Bureau

For all the debate on living... Is it capable of surviving outside the womb? We shall assume that all you good Republicans will step forward and offer to voluntarily care for this unwanted urchin.

Again, without the necessities of life being provided by others, no healthy full term baby would survive outside the womb. A baby cannot sustain itself regardless of when it left the womb.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[RikidyBones]

If he cannot pay... Pull it

It's been one day. Payment potential has not been established. But the hospital does not want to risk the possibility of nonpayment. Are you ok with them pulling the plug?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

sustain? I said capable of survival.

And I also said that all you good republicans will voluntarily care for the unwanted urchin.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

PP has killed more humans than the Holocaust, wars, guns, etc. deaths combined and in only a 36 year stretch.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

It's been one day. Payment potential has not been established. But the hospital does not want to risk the possibility of nonpayment. Are you ok with them pulling the plug?

Me? No, but all of you against universal healthcare should be fine with it.

 

[RikidyBones]

For all the debate on living... Is it capable of surviving outside the womb? We shall assume that all you good Republicans will step forward and offer to voluntarily care for this unwanted urchin.

Your Inconsistent stance to validate the legalities of abortion isnt very convincing. It has a million logical holes, it's incredibly inconsistent and arbitrary based on absolutely nothing but whim.

Also, your virtue signaling on the adoption process is fake and a poor attempt at changing the topic.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

PP has killed more humans than the Holocaust, wars, guns, etc. deaths combined and in only a 36 year stretch.

Not true.

 

[RikidyBones]

Me? No, but all of you against universal healthcare should be fine with it.

Why arent you ok with it?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Your Inconsistent stance to validate the legalities of abortion isnt very convincing. It has a million logical holes, it's incredibly inconsistent and arbitrary based on absolutely nothing but whim.

Also, your virtue signaling on the adoption process is fake and a poor attempt at changing the topic.

I only vary when you force it. How is my stance on abortion inconsistent?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Why arent you ok with it?

Because I believe that healthcare should be a right afforded to all citizens.