Tennessee Vols Basketball Recruiting

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calban said:
There is no rule. Pitino and Crean at Indy were criticized for it (forcing players out) a few years ago but nothing was ever done. Multi season scholarships were even suggested but never adopted. Cal did it when he took the job at ky. Forced a couple of players to look elsewhere.
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Multi season scholarships have been in play for a number of years if the school chooses to use them
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Pons definitely isn’t a 1 or 2, also not sure Gaines is that...the 1st two yes.
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Given our current roster numbers, we may only have room for 2 guards in the 2020 class, but given both Walker and Gaines despite being considered more SF, both appear to be able to handle the ball pretty well, it’s possible Barnes wants more length on the floor and can rotate a number of players to bring the ball up. James is clearly going to play a lot of PG. There may be occasions when Bowden at 6’5 is the shortest guy on the court.
 
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BruinVol said:
Multi season scholarships have been in play for a number of years if the school chooses to use them
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Most schools don't use them. And then most or many student-ath think they have them. Mack Crowder thought he had one.
 
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The Dog said:
That's why I said maybe about Pons. Gaines is probably more of a 3, but can probably play the 1/2 in a pinch. Am I forgetting somebody or is that it ? Guess Bailey would be needed, greatly
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Nope that’s it...even if we land Johnson, Springer and best case Love...we will still be young in the backcourt, having someone with some experience and a year in the system will be nice.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If they are willing to oversign by 1 why wouldn’t they by 2 then?

Think back 2 weeks ago, we all were saying the number was 3 for the fall class of 2020...we are all still saying the number is 3 for the fall class of 2020, so what changed? Maybe the staff didn’t/doesn’t want to sign 4 in November, or maybe they always wanted to sign 4 but not 5?

There are 13 scholarships available for basketball every year, taking a transfer won’t cost them a 2020 fall recruit anymore than it would have if they took a graduate transfer instead.
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Yeah, after thinking about where the disconnect seems to be in our respective opinions, I think that is exactly where it is: the idea that I believe we will oversign by one, and you thinking it could be more.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Yeah, after thinking about where the disconnect seems to be in our respective opinions, I think that is exactly where it is: the idea that I believe we will oversign by one, and you thinking it could be more.
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I’m not sure how many it may be, but that’s not my point....what I’m saying is that weeks ago we all were saying it would be a 3 man class because Barnes wouldn’t oversign. Not until talk of taking a transfer has it been said Barnes will oversign, so that still puts the number at 3 for the fall signing class, same as it was before.

So maybe Barnes was only willing to oversign if it meant taking someone who would be an upperclassmen transfer, not an additional fall 2020 signee?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I’m not sure how many it may be, but that’s not my point....what I’m saying is that weeks ago we all were saying it would be a 3 man class because Barnes wouldn’t oversign. Not until talk of taking a transfer has it been said Barnes will oversign, so that still puts the number at 3 for the fall signing class, same as it was before.

So maybe Barnes was only willing to oversign if it meant taking someone who would be an upperclassmen transfer, not an additional fall 2020 signee?
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From a simple mathematics perspective, you have 13 spots total, and 3 slots coming open (Bowden, Turner, Bone). If we choose to over-sign, that creates a 4th slot. In a vacuum, there is no limit to who can take those spots. So, from that perspective, if anyone can be signed to fill that last slot, transfer or freshman, then Barnes & Co. are choosing Bailey over an additional 2020 freshman. Your last sentence is confirmation of that possibility, is it not?
 
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cncchris33 said:
From a simple mathematics perspective, you have 13 spots total, and 3 slots coming open (Bowden, Turner, Bone). If we choose to over-sign, that creates a 4th slot. In a vacuum, there is no limit to who can take those spots. So, from that perspective, if anyone can be signed to fill that last slot, transfer or freshman, then Barnes & Co. are choosing Bailey over an additional 2020 freshman. Your last sentence is confirmation of that possibility, is it not?
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Bto is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He’s admitted that taking a transfer is playing the odds on that we are going to miss on one of our 2020 targets.
 
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BruinVol said:
Bto is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He’s admitted that taking a transfer is playing the odds on that we are going to miss on one of our 2020 targets.
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Does it become easier to understand tomorrow(Wednesday) when bone announces his final decision?
 
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#687
There is one major advantage to taking a transfer G that has to sit out over waiting until getting one in the 20 class and that’s a year on the practice floor with Barnes. For that reason I like the idea of this kid from Oregon over a Johnson, Springer or someone else. That year is worth the talent difference imo
 
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BruinVol said:
Bone has nothing to do with this topic
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Say what? He's the remaining slot. Most likely why they've waited to announce the speculated transfer. if by some miracle he changes his mind and stays, over signing would be affected?
 
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calban said:
Say what? He's the remaining slot. Most likely why they've waited to announce the speculated transfer. if by some miracle he changes his mind and stays, over signing would be affected?
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That’s not the topic to be specific but yea I get what you are saying

The topic is if that happens does it mean it’s taking a spot away from the 20 class which clearly it does
 
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BruinVol said:
That’s not the topic to be specific but yea I get what you are saying

The topic is if that happens does it mean it’s taking a spot away from the 20 class which clearly it does
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But if Bone stayed there could be no transfer and the issue would solve itself. It's all speculation at this point anyway. Just another scenario.
 
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cncchris33 said:
From a simple mathematics perspective, you have 13 spots total, and 3 slots coming open (Bowden, Turner, Bone). If we choose to over-sign, that creates a 4th slot. In a vacuum, there is no limit to who can take those spots. So, from that perspective, if anyone can be signed to fill that last slot, transfer or freshman, then Barnes & Co. are choosing Bailey over an additional 2020 freshman. Your last sentence is confirmation of that possibility, is it not?
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Not at all, maybe I’m wording it poorly? I’m saying maybe they were planning to sign 3 in the fall and not oversign, said transfer becomes available and Barnes agrees they will take the transfer and now oversign, thus 3 still being the number.

Now does that take 1/13 scholarships on the roster, absolutely, so if you want to say they can only sign 12 instead of 13 then I suppose that is true, but I don’t think anyone really thinks they’re going to sign that many.
 
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BruinVol said:
Bto is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He’s admitted that taking a transfer is playing the odds on that we are going to miss on one of our 2020 targets.
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I’ve mentioned reasons they may be opting to take a transfer, I’ve never said it’s at the expense of a 2020 recruit.
 
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BruinVol said:
There is one major advantage to taking a transfer G that has to sit out over waiting until getting one in the 20 class and that’s a year on the practice floor with Barnes. For that reason I like the idea of this kid from Oregon over a Johnson, Springer or someone else. That year is worth the talent difference imo
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I don’t think it’s going to be transfer over Johnson or Springer, I think that’s why we are now hearing Barnes is willing to oversign...because he’s not going to let it cost them a 2020 kid.
 
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#695
We added Plavsic and ORN which left 3 spots open to sign in fall of 2019, everyone was speculating that would likely be Johnson, Walker and 1 more (Springer, Love, Thompson)...people were saying how we likely wouldn’t take a Murrell or Hall because we wouldn’t have room and they were down the board, so seems pretty clear the number was 3.

Fast forward to today and we are saying that a transfer is likely being added, but that Barnes is willing to oversign and thus the number is still 3...leaving room for Johnson, Walker and 1 more (Springer, Love, Thompson)

So how in that scenario would this transfer cost us a 2020 spot?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I’ve mentioned reasons they may be opting to take a transfer, I’ve never said it’s at the expense of a 2020 recruit.
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You are playing with words again here. You are saying we would take a transfer because we are going to miss on targets. So clearly you are saying this transfer and the 20 class are connected

bleedingTNorange said:
I think it’s playing percentages, and also balancing classes a bit...what are the chances of us landing: Love, Johnson, Springer, Walker and Hall? Probably not very good.
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bleedingTNorange said:
We added Plavsic and ORN which left 3 spots open to sign in fall of 2019, everyone was speculating that would likely be Johnson, Walker and 1 more (Springer, Love, Thompson)...people were saying how we likely wouldn’t take a Murrell or Hall because we wouldn’t have room and they were down the board, so seems pretty clear the number was 3.
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This board argued with me firmly that Springer wasn’t a PG and we were going to sign a pg in
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Looks like this transfer is filling that void to me
 
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BruinVol said:
You are playing with words again here. You are saying we would take a transfer because we are going to miss on targets. So clearly you are saying this transfer and the 20 class are connected
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I didn’t say we are going to miss, I said it’s playing percentages, and I also said it’s balancing classes.

As I’ve already said I think it’s very possible Barnes wasn’t going to oversign until an upperclassmen transfer came along that he liked the idea of adding, that’s what changed things imo.
 
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#699
BruinVol said:
This board argued with me firmly that Springer wasn’t a PG and we were going to sign a pg in
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Looks like this transfer is filling that void to me
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And we still may? Springer to Tennessee is hardly a given, and Tennessee seems to, at the very least, be in the mix with Caleb Love.
 
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