Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[scvolfan7]

I think the biggest issue is that we won’t shell out the money (that way easily have) for a proven high level head coach. Basically like texas AM did.

I agree. It’s happened three times now though. Why should we think it’ll be any different the fourth time when apathy will be even greater?

 

[drvenner]

To be honest, I dont really care about recruiting anymore. With two kids and having to take care of my mother in law since I was 25, i just dont care lol. I stick around for yall. Yall are like the dysfunctional side of the family that I wouldn't trade anything for. The "That's family " type of crew.


Even if I'm always forgotten about in superlatives

...you bastards.

You always make my Byron Top88 posters list every December.

 

[MrVolton]

I think the biggest issue is that we won’t shell out the money (that way easily have) for a proven high level head coach. Basically like texas AM did.

There really aren’t that many proven college HC’s out there regardless of $$$. Saban, Dabo, Fisher, Carroll, none of these guys are leaving their respective spots, and guys like Meyer and Spurrier aren’t coming out of retirement. Who does that leave? Maybe Chris Petersen, which is who I wanted them to back the Brinks truck up for in 2008, but I honestly can’t think of anyone else that would fit the bill.

 

[drvenner]

You keep stating it over and over, and they still not getting it and not understanding recruiting. I’m starting to believe some of them really believe, all the commitments a school gets, through out the year, much less 9 months out, are actually going to be signed on early signing and February signing. Almost fun watching the hand wringing and foot stomping.

I guess it's better than them beating their husbands?

 

[MrVolton]

I agree. It’s happened three times now though. Why should we think it’ll be any different the fourth time when apathy will be even greater?

Part of the reason why I said that if we’re still talking about 6 wins after the upcoming season, we’ll likely never compete for championships again.

 

[ionaVOL]

If he wins 8+ this fall I bet he gets a big fat raise and extension.

100% agree with this....problem is, I have a tough time seeing 8 wins. Would mean we win every home game except Georgia and our bowl. I just can't lock in wins over BYU, Miss St, SC and Vandy until seeing the product.

BYU is going to be such a huge game IMO. If we drop that one, this season could go south in a bad way. If we can beat them, that opens the door to hopefully being competitive in all home games and potentially pulling out a win or two on the road (Florida/Kentucky/Mizzou)

I'm saying 6 wins at this point for my prediction. Which I can live with. I think we drop 3 home games and beat Kentucky on the road.

 

[chargervol]

I think the biggest issue is that we won’t shell out the money (that way easily have) for a proven high level head coach. Basically like texas AM did.

Limited agreement. It's always stated like we make insulting offers to proven coaches. The offers reported have always been legitimate market value and definitive raises for said coaches.

What A&M and Michigan did was unheard of and everyone could be accused of going cheap in comparison. With results still pending.

 

[HankHill]

I agree. It’s happened three times now though. Why should we think it’ll be any different the fourth time when apathy will be even greater?

I think it’s one of those things that is like why keep trying to find a hidden gem for a few million less when you could spend a few extra million up front where you’re not guaranteed by no means but more likely to get success.

It looks like 7+ mil is that “magic number” to lure a proven head coach.


Michigan paid 7 mil for harbaugh and they are nationally relevant every year since and have easily made their money/revenue back.

Texas AM is doing it with Jimbo.

No matter which search of the searches you go back to or what the state of the program was. I find it very hard to believe if we truly offered any candidate (Shaw, Peterson, Patterson, nfl coach etc.). 7-8 mil a year for 7 years that they wouldn’t be our coach.

 

[drvenner]

I’m right here. Yeah, he’s stealing paychecks. There I said it. With what they are about to lose after this season it’s imperative they land an elite WR or two this cycle.

When you say "they" do you mean Tennessee? 'Cause, when I refer to Tennessee with a pronoun, I usually use "we."

 

[HankHill]

There really aren’t that many proven college HC’s out there regardless of $$$. Saban, Dabo, Fisher, Carroll, none of these guys are leaving their respective spots, and guys like Meyer and Spurrier aren’t coming out of retirement. Who does that leave? Maybe Chris Petersen, which is who I wanted them to back the Brinks truck up for in 2008, but I honestly can’t think of anyone else that would fit the bill.

There’s plenty. I don’t limit “proven” to only winning a national title. If Lincoln Riley is making 4.5...offer him 8. That goes for David Shaw, Gary Patterson, dantonio, whoever.

 

[drvenner]

Better pray like hell he lands Muhsin and EJ Williams.

I typically pray like hell for healing for family or friends or for ending world hunger, but that's just me.

 

[HankHill]

Limited agreement. It's always stated like we make insulting offers to proven coaches. The offers reported have always been legitimate market value and definitive raises for said coaches.

What A&M and Michigan did was unheard of and everyone could be accused of going cheap in comparison. With results still pending.

I agree. But they have set the standard and shown what it takes to basically make a coach tell you no. No one is leaving a job they are successful and comfortable in anymore unless it’s a ridiculous offer

 

[drvenner]

Again, you must have your head in the sand. Tennessee is losing 4, possibly 5 WRs. Three of which are the best receivers on the roster. If they don’t get immediate impact types, you’re really putting yourself in a bad spot. There is zero chance Jeremy Pruitt isn’t expecting Tee to land immediate difference makers at that position.

Head in the sand? My, my, my...we are breaking all of the terms out of the negavol/troll handbook. Sweet!!

 

[chargervol]

I agree. But they have set the standard and shown what it takes to basically make a coach tell you no. No one is leaving a job they are successful and comfortable in anymore unless it’s a ridiculous offer

That's all I'm saying.
We haven't necessarily "gone cheap", we just haven't gone ridiculous. But yeah, that's what it would probably take for "proven".

 

[MrVolton]

There’s plenty. I don’t limit “proven” to only winning a national title. If Lincoln Riley is making 4.5...offer him 8. That goes for David Shaw, Gary Patterson, dantonio, whoever.

Riley may end up in the company of those I listed, but 2 years as an HC is a relatively small sample. Shaw, Patterson, and Dantonio are all very good, but not sure they’re in the same tier to justify Jimbo money. They would have us competing for SEC every 3 or 4 years, but each of them has also proven they’re good for a real clunker of a season every 3 or 4 years as well. Besides, Shaw is at his alam mater and Patterson’s father-in-law is on the BOT at TCU, $ may not be enough to overcome ties like that.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d be tickled with any of those guys you listed. Just not sure they’d justify something like 7 years at $7 million per.

 

[drvenner]

It's been a tough day. Two whiffs and a decommit. Maybe we get a 5* tomorrow. It's only May.

I will change my narrative next month.

Next month, my narrative will be....you guessed it...."it's only June."

 

[LA Vol]

Overpaying is the new cheap. UT now goes after who we want and throws money around to get them... and keep them. We're doing it in all sports, so the cheap narrative is very 2017.

 

[HankHill]

Riley may end up in the company of those I listed, but 2 years as an HC is a relatively small sample. Shaw, Patterson, and Dantonio are all very good, but not sure they’re in the same tier to justify Jimbo money. They would have us competing for SEC every 3 or 4 years, but each of them has also proven they’re good for a real clunker of a season every 3 or 4 years as well.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d be tickled with any of those guys you listed. Just not sure they’d justify something like 7 years at $7 million per.

That’s fair but there’s something to be said for being 8-4 9-3 basically every year as the floor which what i think all of them would have us.

 

[drvenner]

So if I’m frustrated with the state of things and I express that, I’m gonna do that. Chastising me because im not sunshiny enough is comical to me.

By the same token, people disagreeing with your opinion should not be surprising. You are chastising them for chastising you.

 

[MrVolton]

That’s fair but there’s something to be said for being 8-4 9-3 basically every year as the floor which what i think all of them would have us.

Shaw has that kind of consistency, but Patterson and Dantonio have proven they’re are good for a real clunker of a season every 3 or 4 years.

May take more than $$$ to pull Shaw from his alma mater.

 

[chargervol]

Overpaying is the new cheap. UT now goes after who we want and throws money around to get them... and keep them. We're doing it in all sports, so the cheap narrative is very 2017.

I started to point out earlier that by the time it was Fulmer and Boyd combo, basically all the "proven" were taken/renewed.
A search ran from the beginning under those guys?. May have been some serious money tossed around.

 

[drvenner]

So am I to take your word for it? Also you guys start threads on everybody and their dog, doesn't mean much in terms of being on the real radar.

What's your dog's name. Ima start a thread.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

By the same token, people disagreeing with your opinion should not be surprising. You are chastising them for chastising you.

It’s fine to disagree with my take. I get that. We can have a discussion. That isn’t the chastising I was referring to. That was the following me around in every thread with “omg ur so negative all the time stop trolling” Or “ur usually a good poster and I like you but you’re going down a dark path maybe take a break” or “people like the guys who bring info to be more positive!”

 

[Ron Swanson]

100% agree with this....problem is, I have a tough time seeing 8 wins. Would mean we win every home game except Georgia and our bowl. I just can't lock in wins over BYU, Miss St, SC and Vandy until seeing the product.

BYU is going to be such a huge game IMO. If we drop that one, this season could go south in a bad way. If we can beat them, that opens the door to hopefully being competitive in all home games and potentially pulling out a win or two on the road (Florida/Kentucky/Mizzou)

I'm saying 6 wins at this point for my prediction. Which I can live with. I think we drop 3 home games and beat Kentucky on the road.

Easiest schedule we've had in many years. Less than 7 wins will be a problem for Pruitt and recruiting. He needs 7 minimum which is very doable this fall. Win the 4 OOC and 3 conference games.

If that doesn't happen in year 2 this place will be signing petitions next spring for a FAHR EM ALL Party.

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

If he wins 8+ this fall I bet he gets a big fat raise and extension.

It would be deserved if that came to fruition.