Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
Answered earlier.
Quick summary........it doesn't pass the rational and reasonable nor the cost/benefit tests.
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Whose definition of those tests?

ANd your rational/reasonable test usually includes something along the lines of 'if it saves one life'... Car interlocks would save countless lives.

You are a hypocrite.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
What determines that 20 mph is 'stupid'? I know your answer: "Society". Well, "society" didn't determine the 70 mph speed limit, bureaucrats did. But of course nobody exceeds that limit because 'society' obeys all the laws.

But more interesting is that you said you are FOR speed limits. So... who determines them? Bureaucrats do not meet the definition of 'society'.
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They answer to society's wishes....eventually.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Arm all law abiding citizens with fully automatic weapons! Since we live in an armed society superior firepower is the only reasonable and rational answer!
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we need the government to supply the guns for this right. not everyone can afford them, and since its a right its the governments job to ensure that every citizen is armed. Only a bigot who hates minorities and poor people would argue otherwise.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Arm all law abiding citizens with fully automatic weapons! Since we live in an armed society superior firepower is the only reasonable and rational answer!
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I would be more for each person carrying a nuclear warhead. Nothing guarantees peace more than mutually assured destruction.
 
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LouderVol said:
we need the government to supply the guns for this right. not everyone can afford them, and since its a right its the governments job to ensure that every citizen is armed. Only a bigot who hates minorities and poor people would argue otherwise.
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Absolutely! Our tax dollars pay for the military select fire automatic rifles! Open them up to the civilian purchase program now. Hell theyre our guns we bought them.
 
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luthervol said:
I would be more for each person carrying a nuclear warhead. Nothing guarantees peace more than mutually assured destruction.
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You see this is just silly. You obviously aren’t serious. A nuke isn’t a firearm any non idiot knows that. Since were allowed to own firearms we should be able to own whatever firearm we want. Fully automatic firearms for all law abiding citizens it’s only reasonable and rational.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You see this is just silly. You obviously aren’t serious. A nuke isn’t a firearm any non idiot knows that. Since were allowed to own firearms we should be able to own whatever firearm we want. Fully automatic firearms for all law abiding citizens it’s only reasonable and rational.
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I can buy cherry bombs and fireworks. I should be able to buy any bomb I wish.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You see this is just silly. You obviously aren’t serious. A nuke isn’t a firearm any non idiot knows that. Since were allowed to own firearms we should be able to own whatever firearm we want. Fully automatic firearms for all law abiding citizens it’s only reasonable and rational.
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He's had the legalities and weapon classifications explained to him. Anything outside discussing weapons germane to existing laws is straight up trolling.
 
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hndog609 said:
He's had the legalities and weapon classifications explained to him. Anything outside discussing weapons germane to existing laws is straight up trolling.
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Expand your perspective. Talk a little theory. Your whole assumption is that existing law is as it should be. There's room for disagreement with that assumption.
 
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luthervol said:
Expand your perspective. Talk a little theory. Your whole assumption is that existing law is as it should be. There's room for disagreement with that assumption.
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There is room for disagreement, that's why the founders provided us with mechanisms to amend the constitution. Try it that way, not the fascist way.
 
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hog88 said:
There is room for disagreement, that's why the founders provided us with mechanisms to amend the constitution. Try it that way, not the fascist way.
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There is plenty of room within 2A for rational and reasonable gun regulation. No change to the constitution is necessary.
If gun nuts create an environment where the only avenue to rational and reasonable gun regulation is by amending 2A, then that will be unfortunate for all parties.
 
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luthervol said:
There is plenty of room within 2A for rational and reasonable gun regulation. No change to the constitution is necessary.
If gun nuts create an environment where the only avenue to rational and reasonable gun regulation is by amending 2A, then that will be unfortunate for all parties.
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SCOTUS has settled the arguments within the 2nd. You want further regulation do it the right way and stop trying to subvert the constitution.

If the tide has risen your side as much as you claim amending the 2nd shouldn't be a problem for you.
 
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hog88 said:
SCOTUS has settled the arguments within the 2nd. You want further regulation do it the right way and stop trying to subvert the constitution.

If the tide has risen your side as much as you claim amending the 2nd shouldn't be a problem for you.
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Still plenty of room....another point on which we will just have to disagree.
 
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luthervol said:
It's intended more to show the lunacy of your rationale.
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No my logic is beautifully solid. That’s the scary part for you gun grabbers and why you use the ridiculous examples. Either you can own a gun or you can’t. If you can then who the hell is the government or any other individual to impose limits on you. If you want a fully automatic firearm (<-comes with a very specific legal definition) then you should be allowed to own it. It’s your own damn business and nobody elses. Equality thru superior firepower! Arm all law abiding citizens with fully automatic weapons if they desire to own one.
 
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