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jakez4ut said:
No... That's not what I'm saying. Abd I don't think he is either. He's not arguing merit.

Just saying that if after 30+ games you believe teams a, b, c, d are the top 4, how does one game change that all the sudden.

The merits of who those teams should be is a different argument...
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A close road loss to Auburn bumped UT off the top line. So neutral-court wins over UK and Auburn shouldn't bump the Vols back up?
 
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Aesius said:
But one (actually, three games if we win today) game does make a difference when resumes are pretty close. Although honestly our resume is much better than Gonzaga’s.

We beat another potential 1 seed yesterday. If that game happened in December it absolutely counts towards seeding purposes.
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On merit, of course I agree. We make a very compelling case for a 1 seed.

His point is if that's the case then it should be, or have been, evident by now.... And one game shouldn't all the sudden change that.

It's subjective obviously, and the only thing he's saying is if you are on the selection committee you should already have a pretty good idea who the top 4 are, abd if you're waiting on one game in a conference tourney to decide, then what's the point of the rest of the season?

I think he's be saying the same thing if they were projecting us as a 1.

Now he may not believe we're a 1, but even he's said that's just his opinion.

His bigger issue with all of it is allowing 1 game to dictate when you have nearly 5 months of games under your belt.
 
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LA Vol said:
A close road loss to Auburn bumped UT off the top line. So neutral-court wins over UK and Auburn shouldn't bump the Vols back up?
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I think they should but that's not what this is about.

On merit, yeah we've made a helluva case to be a 1.

And I won't be surprised if we are.
 
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LA Vol said:
And that's the committee's way out-- give UT a geographically desirable spot while moving the Vols down a line.
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Also could happen.

We beat UK twice, beat Gonzaga, Louisville, ole Miss, MSU twice, Florida twice... No bad losses.

We'll compare favorably with Gonzaga and Michigan State.
 
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I do think having the opportunity to get the Auburn game back is a plus.

And I just really want to win a tournament.
 
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jakez4ut said:
No... That's not what I'm saying. Abd I don't think he is either. He's not arguing merit.

Just saying that if after 30+ games you believe teams a, b, c, d are the top 4, how does one game change that all the sudden.

The merits of who those teams should be is a different argument...
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I can see that if it’s not close, but that isn’t the case here. Looking only at UT, UK, and Gonzaga for instance: Gonzaga just lost a much softer tournament and we stand a good chance of winning a much tougher one today, not to mention we won the head to head earlier in the year. And we’ve won 2 out of 3 vs UK, the 2 being the most recent games. There is just no way to justify putting either Gonzaga or UK at a one seed ahead of UT, no way.
 
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Put us number 2 in the south with Virginia
Ky with unc in Midwest
Zags and Spartans in west
Duke and Michigan in east

If we get last no 1 we will get shipped to Midwest or even west region
 
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jakez4ut said:
I think they should but that's not what this is about.

On merit, yeah we've made a helluva case to be a 1.

And I won't be surprised if we are.
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I was responding to your comment that Bilas said one game shouldn't decide seeding. But it absolutely did. UT was bumped down from a one seed because of one close road loss. UT can more than make up for it today, adding two quality Ws and a conference championship after the loss. The committee says how a team finishes the season factors in. So factor it in.

If they're going to evaluate the whole body of work, evaluate the whole body of work. If they're going to use the eye test and selectively seed, admit it. But yeah, I think the decision has already been made and UT isn't a one seed. They expected UK to win. If UT wins today, they have a conundrum-- which shouldn't be one at all.
 
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vol81 said:
Put us number 2 in the south with Virginia
Ky with unc in Midwest
Zags and Spartans in west
Duke and Michigan in east

If we get last no 1 we will get shipped to Midwest or even west region
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I think this is the most likely scenario. Either that or we get the one seed out West with the Zags as a two seed. Small chance we get the 1 seed in the Midwest with MSU or Mich.
 
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MrVolton said:
I can see that if it’s not close, but that isn’t the case here. Looking only at UT, UK, and Gonzaga for instance: Gonzaga just lost a much softer tournament and We stand a good chance winning a much tougher one, not to mention we won the head to head earlier in the year. And we’ve won 2 out of 3 vs UK, the 2 being the most recent games. There is just no way to justify putting either Gonzaga of UK at a one seed ahead of UT, no way.
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I don't disagree.

His point is if you believe all of that you've said then what difference should one game in a conference tournament make?

We've already made a case to be a 1..

And winning in the tournament is just confirmation of that belief.

And if you think UK is, and has been, a 1, does yesterday's 1 result in a vacuum change that? Should it?

Now arguing TN's body of work against UK's at this point, that's a different argument... And I know what I think about that lol.
 
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LA Vol said:
I was responding to your comment that Bilas said one game shouldn't decide seeding. But it absolutely did. UT was bumped down from a one seed because of one close road loss. UT can more than make up for it today, adding two quality Ws and a conference championship after the loss. The committee says how a team finishes the season factors in. So factor it in.

If they're going to evaluate the whole body of work, evaluate the whole body of work. If they're going to use the eye test and selectively seed, admit it. But yeah, I think the decision has already been made and UT isn't a one seed. They expected UK to win. If UT wins today, they have a conundrum-- which shouldn't be one at all.
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No disagreement.

We make as good a case as anytime we're up against.
 
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jakez4ut said:
I don't disagree.

His point is if you believe all of that you've said then what difference should one game in a conference tournament make?

We've already made a case to be a 1..

And winning in the tournament is just confirmation of that belief.

And if you think UK is, and has been, a 1, does yesterday's 1 result in a vacuum change that? Should it?

Now arguing TN's body of work against UK's at this point, that's a different argument... And I know what I think about that lol.
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I think 1 game should and absolutely does make a difference. It did for us when we were a unanimous #1 seed, but not so much for the media darlings. There needs to be more consistency, and they need to minimize the subjectivity of the “eye test” as much as possible.

It is ridiculous and unfair to seed the NCAA tournament bracket before conference tournaments are played.
 
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LA Vol said:
I was responding to your comment that Bilas said one game shouldn't decide seeding. But it absolutely did. UT was bumped down from a one seed because of one close road loss. UT can more than make up for it today, adding two quality Ws and a conference championship after the loss. The committee says how a team finishes the season factors in. So factor it in.

If they're going to evaluate the whole body of work, evaluate the whole body of work. If they're going to use the eye test and selectively seed, admit it. But yeah, I think the decision has already been made and UT isn't a one seed. They expected UK to win. If UT wins today, they have a conundrum-- which shouldn't be one at all.
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Bingo! A record of 30-4, playing in the SEC and winning the conference tournament, should easily get this team a one seed. If Kentucky had our resume and won this game today to win the conference tournament, they would be the number one overall seed.
 
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LA Vol said:
And that's the committee's way out-- give UT a geographically desirable spot while moving the Vols down a line.
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May not be the worst thing. I want the 1 seed for program history reasons but a win today and a 2 seed will have the guys playing with a chip on their shoulders and in front of plenty of Vols fans.
 
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