Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[MoCo_Vol]

Davis deserved it most, love Barnes but we were 26-9 (13-5) last season and returned our top 5 guys in production. Only lost James Daniel from a SEC Regular season championship team.

Davis inherited a 12-20 (5-13) Last in SEC team and went 20-11 (10-8) with the same roster plus a few contributing freshman he brought in. So he showed he could get more out of existing talent while also recruiting guys who could help out immediately.

 

[HankHill]

Davis deserved it most, love Barnes but we we're 26-9 (13-5) last season and returned our top 5 guys in production. Only lost James Daniel from a SEC Regular season championship team.

Davis inherited a 12-20 (5-13) Last in SEC team and went 20-11 (10-8) with the same roster plus a few contributing freshman he brought in. So he showed he could get more out of existing talent while also recruiting guys who could help out immediately.

I view it the same way. You could give the award to Saban, dabo, etc every year. I don’t believe in giving it to a coach for having a great year when he’s supposed to.

 

[SweetasSoda]

No he got it coach of the year for being a good coach and he’s a good dude so I’m happy for him

But Barnes is all that and took his 3*s to #1. You made it sound like that is what separated him from Barnes.

 

[HankHill]

But Barnes is all that and took his 3*s to #1. You made it sound like that is what separated him from Barnes.

Barnes and TN were supposed to be great this year... we are. Idc what stars players were when recruited. I don’t believe The best coaching job in the conference or country should ever be given to a team/coach that was expected to be a great team and lived up to the hype.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

After spring practices/games are in the books there may be some adjustments to some of the early preseason rankings but for now here are 3 of the bigger named prognosticators and their initial views of how things could stack up relative to our schedule this year. (The number for UTC [Chattanooga] isn't real. 247 had their team talent ranked at 139 last year. They only had I think 6 players that had ratings but obviously that was more than most FCS teams). There's a lot of agreement in how teams stack up relatively speaking in Tier 1 and Tier 3 but no real consensus on Tier 2. The key takeaway is clearly ESPN loves us. That noted, what's your early guess on how we fare in each of the tiers?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

But Barnes is all that and took his 3*s to #1. You made it sound like that is what separated him from Barnes.

I didn't read it that way.

I think Davis is a great coach and an even better person too. The way he handled the loss to us in post game was very classy, I hope he wins 2 straight this weekend.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

They sound like us except for this.


Zero clue why they think we've ever thought enough about them for a calendar circling.
Given our other games, I didn't even rate them 'quick memo'.
Circling, pshh!

I'm still salty over 2012.. although it's more because of Dooley/Sunseri than it is State.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

After spring practices/games are in the books there may be some adjustments to some of the early preseason rankings but for now here are 3 of the bigger named prognosticators and their initial views of how things could stack up relative to our schedule this year. (The number for UTC [Chattanooga] isn't real. 247 had their team talent ranked at 139 last year. They only had I think 6 players that had ratings but obviously that was more than most FCS teams). There's a lot of agreement in how teams stack up relatively speaking in Tier 1 and Tier 3 but no real consensus on Tier 2. The key takeaway is clearly ESPN loves us. That noted, what's your early guess on how we fare in each of the tiers?

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Agree most with S&P+, believe we can beat MSU, SC, & MO...but until we do I understand them being ahead of us. KY we beat soundly and they lost a ton without a great recruiting class to backfill...so I don't see them ahead of us.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Barnes and TN were supposed to be great this year... we are. Idc what stars players were when recruited. I don’t believe The best coaching job in the conference or country should ever be given to a team/coach that was expected to be a great team and lived up to the hype.

TN was supposed to be great this year because of the great job Barnes has done developing his players and creating the hype.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

After spring practices/games are in the books there may be some adjustments to some of the early preseason rankings but for now here are 3 of the bigger named prognosticators and their initial views of how things could stack up relative to our schedule this year. (The number for UTC [Chattanooga] isn't real. 247 had their team talent ranked at 139 last year. They only had I think 6 players that had ratings but obviously that was more than most FCS teams). There's a lot of agreement in how teams stack up relatively speaking in Tier 1 and Tier 3 but no real consensus on Tier 2. The key takeaway is clearly ESPN loves us. That noted, what's your early guess on how we fare in each of the tiers?

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Is Athlon just "ranking" and not using some sort of special sauce? I think if SBNation and ESPN were ranking us, we'd be closer to the 35-50 range.

 

[rocktopper16]

Are we in this FBI probe. Saw where several schools was. Recruiting scandals and all..

 

[MoCo_Vol]

TN was supposed to be great this year because of the great job Barnes has done developing his players and creating the hype.

It's a yearly award...one guy doubled his win total in conference... it's not an award between best coach in the SEC it's an award for who did the best job this season.

Wade was also likely in the discussion before the FBI stuff hit.

 

[Catbone]

Are we in this FBI probe. Saw where several schools was. Recruiting scandals and all..

Texas was named

 

[rocktopper16]

Texas was named

USC was too. I was for sure Bama would be.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I didn't read it that way.

I think Davis is a great coach and an even better person too. The way he handled the loss to us in post game was very classy, I hope he wins 2 straight this weekend.

When did classy, being a better person, and kneeling become criteria for COTY? Glad y'all Vol fans are happy for him though. I would have preferred our classy coach that's a great person and coach to have won. But that's just me.

 

[volinbama256]

No he got it coach of the year for being a good coach and he’s a good dude so I’m happy for him

For doing what? They had a pretty good season... that's it... didn't Barnes do about that much last season? We have one of our best ever, go from last year to being ranked #1 for weeks, still a 2 seed, and I would think Barnes is a good dude too...
Barnes got hosed.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

When did classy, being a better person, and kneeling become criteria for COTY? Glad y'all Vol fans are happy for him though. I would have preferred our classy coach that's a great person and coach to have won. But that's just me.

Ok...Barnes went from 1st to 3rd in the SEC. Davis went from 14th to 7th.

I get being a homer, but stop cherry picking counter points. Davis had the better season in the SEC based on the previous year. All that award does is highlight that.

Barnes won it last year when he was more deserving of it. I am just happy Bone got 2nd team

 

[SweetasSoda]

It's a yearly award...one guy doubled his win total in conference... it's not an award between best coach in the SEC it's an award for who did the best job this season.

Wade was also likely in the discussion before the FBI stuff hit.

So a great coach that does an outstanding job recruiting and developing can never win the award because he is just doing his job. K

 

[Aesius]

Texas was named

Tennis coach at Texas. Looks like the scandal was about getting non academically eligible kids admitted to schools via bribes by "recruiting" them to non-revenue sports that they may or may not have even played in high school. Once they were admitted they would "quit" those sports but retain their admission to the schools.

 

[JP_UT_O&W]

Grant back to back SEC player of year!

Voted on by coaches and AP.

Admiral and Bone honored with 1st & 2nd team, respectively.

 

[Smokeytom]

@Catbone and @LurtzVol109 I'm a 25 year old sophomore (also a May baby Cat, lets celebrate with a jam sesh?) in undergrad with plans for med school which means 10+ more years of school / hardly making money.

Not getting all existential about it (had that moment at 17 honestly).

Ideally, we've got 60 years left. And as dudes, there ain't no clock on the eggs. These guns stay shootin. Family is definitely in my plans.

Get ya minds right. Get ya health right. Make a decision with what you want to do (being smart can lead to some serious analysis paralysis), and get on with it!

Cheers to the journey fellas. Best of luck!

 

[HankHill]

So a great coach that does an outstanding job recruiting and developing can never win the award because he is just doing his job. K

You’re acting like Barnes is working with chicken sh**. Grant, admiral, and bone are great players and that’s not all because of this staff. Great players come out no matter where they are.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Ok...Barnes went from 1st to 3rd in the SEC. Davis went from 14th to 7th.

I get being a homer, but stop cherry picking counter points. Davis had the better season in the SEC based on the previous year. All that award does is highlight that.

Barnes won it last year when he was more deserving of it. I am just happy Bone got 2nd team

I am a homer, that is why I'm here, and I pick whatever cherries I want to. But why didn't you say that in the first place? This started with how happy some of you were that another team's coach won the award because he kneeled with his players and is a classy guy. None of that has anything to do with COTY.

 

[JCP201]

Ok...Barnes went from 1st to 3rd in the SEC. Davis went from 14th to 7th.

I get being a homer, but stop cherry picking counter points. Davis had the better season in the SEC based on the previous year. All that award does is highlight that.

Barnes won it last year when he was more deserving of it. I am just happy Bone got 2nd team

We were first place much of the year and have a better record this year than last. Quit being an Ole Miss fan.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So a great coach that does an outstanding job recruiting and developing can never win the award because he is just doing his job. K

Go bitch to the AP Panel who handed out the awards, being salty to other forum members is just stupid.

I didn't pick Davis, simply stating I can see the justification for it.