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GoVolsDR said:
There's so much misinformation and disinformation about Wagner. There's no question that he lived a troubled life and he suffered profoundly, and his writings/letters illustrate the mental and physical anguish he suffered. His struggle is clearly evident in the genius of his works, and I don't think that there's any more masterful opera than Der Ring des Nibelungen.
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I like Die Drei Groschen Oper. I don't think that's Wagner, though.

Edit: it's not and it's not really an opera. I still like it.
 
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drvenner said:
We want them to keep disrespecting us. Anything that keeps that chip on our shoulder is ok with me.
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Point well taken and understood but still! They were disrespecting us even when we were still in our slump.Tennessee May still be in that very same slump,we won’t know till tonight hopefully the Kentucky game was the spark.This Whole year since being in the top 10 they have disrespected us I don’t think
“the chip” on the shoulder effect just recently started it’s been all year literally.
 
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bignewt said:
He didn't save anything, after failing to use diplomacy he had superior numbers and supplies and failed to call off the dogs that pillaged what was part of his own country. That's not even mentioning the crap he pulled with the Native Americans/ You call it wimpfest morality, I call it seeing through the whitewashed textbooks we were all fed in school. There is always more to the truth than what is taught by the victors.
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mrorange211 said:
I have taught history at the secondary and post-secondary level. I get what you're saying, but I think you should read up some more on Lincoln's personal life, the reasoning for his decisions, and why he is regarded by PROFESSIONAL HISTORIANS as one the greats. You won't of course, and this entire post is a waste of time. Alas.
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The Civil War is always a touchy subject. However, Lincoln wasn't the "savior of men" he is perceived to be in the history books.

@mrorange211 I had two college history professors who were utterly clueless. They just regurgitated what is written in the history books as fact, with a slight lean to the way they wanted history to be told. I am a Professional Engineer, does that mean that I know everything about Engineering? No it does not. I don't know jack about how to send a shuttle to outer space, but I do know how to build bridges. Some of the most ignorant people I have ever met are Professional Engineers, and in now way should they hold that title, yet they still do. I guess what I am saying is that just because you are a professional at something, doesn't mean you are good at it or know everything.

Lincoln was obviously dealt a hard card. And one cannot refute his impact toward consolidating the union. However, his tactics to achieve that consolidation are, more often than not, only shown in a positive light. I have read extensively on the Civil War, and it wasn't all good (Union) vs. evil (Confederacy) like it is so often portrayed. The Enrollment Act of 1863 (where everyone had to register for the draft unless you paid $300) and Sherman's march through Georgia are the first two acts that come to mind by Lincoln that I find any true historian finding a hard time to justify.

History taught in America is biased towards fitting a Nationalistic agenda. It always has. The civil war is portrayed with a Lincoln/Union tilt. We teach WWII and the genocide of Jews over and over and over, yet we don't discuss the any of the Genocides by the USSR, or the Cambodian Genocide after the Vietnam war, or the Belgian acts of Genocide in the Congo over rubber... The list goes on and on. We don't talk about how important the USSR was to capturing Germany. How the USSR used the same scorched earth tactic against Hitler as they did against Napoleon. If Hitler wasn't so arrogant and knew history, then we would probably all be speaking German. The reason why is because we (the US) were not the heroes in these stories. The way history is taught in America has always been centered around nationalism over fact. The Civil War is taught as good vs. evil, slavery vs. freedom, and that is an oversimplification used to promote that Nationalistic twist to history.

Little bit a rambling there, and obviously this the wrong platform for this, but I am fairly passionate about history and the way it is taught in our education systems. It's sad.
 
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VOLuptuousBOOMS said:
The Civil War is always a touchy subject. However, Lincoln wasn't the "savior of men" he is perceived to be in the history books.

@mrorange211 I had two college history professors who were utterly clueless. They just regurgitated what is written in the history books as fact, with a slight lean to the way they wanted history to be told. I am a Professional Engineer, does that mean that I know everything about Engineering? No it does not. I don't know jack about how to send a shuttle to outer space, but I do know how to build bridges. Some of the most ignorant people I have ever met are Professional Engineers, and in now way should they hold that title, yet they still do. I guess what I am saying is that just because you are a professional at something, doesn't mean you are good at it or know everything.

Lincoln was obviously dealt a hard card. And one cannot refute his impact toward consolidating the union. However, his tactics to achieve that consolidation are, more often than not, only shown in a positive light. I have read extensively on the Civil War, and it wasn't all good (Union) vs. evil (Confederacy) like it is so often portrayed. The Enrollment Act of 1863 (where everyone had to register for the draft unless you paid $300) and Sherman's march through Georgia are the first two acts that come to mind by Lincoln that I find any true historian finding a hard time to justify.

History taught in America is biased towards fitting a Nationalistic agenda. It always has. The civil war is portrayed with a Lincoln/Union tilt. We teach WWII and the genocide of Jews over and over and over, yet we don't discuss the any of the Genocides by the USSR, or the Cambodian Genocide after the Vietnam war, or the Belgian acts of Genocide in the Congo over rubber... The list goes on and on. We don't talk about how important the USSR was to capturing Germany. How the USSR used the same scorched earth tactic against Hitler as they did against Napoleon. If Hitler wasn't so arrogant and knew history, then we would probably all be speaking German. The reason why is because we (the US) were not the heroes in these stories. The way history is taught in America has always been centered around nationalism over fact. The Civil War is taught as good vs. evil, slavery vs. freedom, and that is an oversimplification used to promote that Nationalistic twist to history.

Little bit a rambling there, and obviously this the wrong platform for this, but I am fairly passionate about history and the way it is taught in our education systems. It's sad.
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What about the drug war that Britain did to China. Now China doing to us with fentanyl.
 
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VOLuptuousBOOMS said:
The Civil War is always a touchy subject. However, Lincoln wasn't the "savior of men" he is perceived to be in the history books.

@mrorange211 I had two college history professors who were utterly clueless. They just regurgitated what is written in the history books as fact, with a slight lean to the way they wanted history to be told. I am a Professional Engineer, does that mean that I know everything about Engineering? No it does not. I don't know jack about how to send a shuttle to outer space, but I do know how to build bridges. Some of the most ignorant people I have ever met are Professional Engineers, and in now way should they hold that title, yet they still do. I guess what I am saying is that just because you are a professional at something, doesn't mean you are good at it or know everything.

Lincoln was obviously dealt a hard card. And one cannot refute his impact toward consolidating the union. However, his tactics to achieve that consolidation are, more often than not, only shown in a positive light. I have read extensively on the Civil War, and it wasn't all good (Union) vs. evil (Confederacy) like it is so often portrayed. The Enrollment Act of 1863 (where everyone had to register for the draft unless you paid $300) and Sherman's march through Georgia are the first two acts that come to mind by Lincoln that I find any true historian finding a hard time to justify.

History taught in America is biased towards fitting a Nationalistic agenda. It always has. The civil war is portrayed with a Lincoln/Union tilt. We teach WWII and the genocide of Jews over and over and over, yet we don't discuss the any of the Genocides by the USSR, or the Cambodian Genocide after the Vietnam war, or the Belgian acts of Genocide in the Congo over rubber... The list goes on and on. We don't talk about how important the USSR was to capturing Germany. How the USSR used the same scorched earth tactic against Hitler as they did against Napoleon. If Hitler wasn't so arrogant and knew history, then we would probably all be speaking German. The reason why is because we (the US) were not the heroes in these stories. The way history is taught in America has always been centered around nationalism over fact. The Civil War is taught as good vs. evil, slavery vs. freedom, and that is an oversimplification used to promote that Nationalistic twist to history.

Little bit a rambling there, and obviously this the wrong platform for this, but I am fairly passionate about history and the way it is taught in our education systems. It's sad.
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Or how they taught us Indians scalped us, when in fact it was the white man scalping them for money like beaver pelts.
 
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