Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Electric Orange said:
Okay but what about a transoceanic train system to replace planes?
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I don't see that as feasible. Like I said, I'm not trying to say everything she suggests is perfect. Heck of a lot better than racist grandpa who thinks climate change is a conspiracy by abortion loving scientists and Al Gore.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Lol, I'll play.


How do you explain record highs, that are still records today, in the months of December, January, and February back in the late 1800s?
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Don't leave zaqhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. You haven't answered the above. It's the 3rd or 4th time I've asked that somewhere in the political forums and never got an answer. You could be truly first.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Lol, I'll play.


How do you explain record highs, that are still records today, in the months of December, January, and February back in the late 1800s?
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Umm, are you kidding me? You are getting the weather and climate mixed up which is like 1st grade science.

Many records have been shattered, some have not. Just because the global temperature rises, doesn't mean that it is uniform or comprehensive.

Are the 98% of scientists trying to fool you for their own personal profit?!?
 
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zaqhhh said:
Umm, are you kidding me? You are getting the weather and climate mixed up which is like 1st grade science.

Many records have been shattered, some have not. Just because the global temperature rises, doesn't mean that it is uniform or comprehensive.

Are the 98% of scientists trying to fool you for their own personal profit?!?
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So you're saying it rises and falls. Like phases? And what would have the big bad humans back in 1891 been doing to cause global warming and temps to rise?
 
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Wow, so you go straight for the throat and just penalize anyone that (has or makes?) over $2 million and force them to pay more. You don't think everybody should be involved in the funding of this. So why not $1 million? $500K? 250K? At some point, by putting a hard number like that on it, just like the AMT, you will get more and more people in your little confiscation. A wealth tax is an anethma to everything this country stands for.


Let me ask you this: What is your degree? What do you think will happen if all of a sudden there were 2, 3, 4 times the number of degree holders that you have now? Will your wages remain the same? You think that if there are more degree holders that you will be able to command the same kind of pricing power for your services?

And I think you are on drugs if you thing a government run health care system will reduce administrative costs. There will be buildings built to house the healthcare paperwork administration. At least there will be temporary construction jobs.

If you think it is expensive now, wait until it's free.

I hope we have this discussion after you leave academia and actually start having your money taken out of every paycheck. And don't even pretend that you will feel good about it.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Umm, are you kidding me? You are getting the weather and climate mixed up which is like 1st grade science.

Many records have been shattered, some have not. Just because the global temperature rises, doesn't mean that it is uniform or comprehensive.

Are the 98% of scientists trying to fool you for their own personal profit?!?
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of car do you drive and what kind of place do you live in?
 
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VolStrom said:
Well there is your first problem, deciding science on climate change is absolute and no debate is necessary.
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On one "side" you have 98% of scientists, on the other you have...Infowars and Coal lobbyists. Gee, I wonder who could be right.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Umm, are you kidding me? You are getting the weather and climate mixed up which is like 1st grade science.

Many records have been shattered, some have not. Just because the global temperature rises, doesn't mean that it is uniform or comprehensive.

Are the 98% of scientists trying to fool you for their own personal profit?!?
Click to expand...
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
So you're saying it rises and falls. Like phases? And what would have the big bad humans back in 1891 been doing to cause global warming and temps to rise?
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No, I'm not saying it rises and falls. What I am saying is that just because climate patterns are altered doesn't mean it is always hotter. Many will get hotter, some may get colder, extreme weather will increase regardless. Global temperatures have hit records like 16 of the past 17 years.

Now if you are referring to certain events like the Earth has gone through both Ice Ages and times of extreme heat but they didn't occur anywhere near as rapid (barring asteroid collisions etc).
 
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zaqhhh said:
First, it needs to be a requirement that it be taught in school. There is no debate over the topic, I'm sick of science being politicized.

Now, one disagreement that I do have with AOC is that I do think nuclear energy is fairly safe and should be a transition source during a massive energy infrastructure investment towards the true renewables.
I also want a carbon tax implemented to fund negative emission technology and other initiatives.

Onto your second and third questions which I can really sum into one. Should Healthcare be Nationalized and therefore paid for according to income tax and progressive or small co-pays? Should college be paid for similarly?

Answers to both are Yes. Now you tried to frame it as "those with jobs." I think we need to start where there is near universal agreement, the rich (over 2 million) can afford to pay a hell of a lot more and most of us (even like half of conservatives). Majorities want even the marginally rich to pay more though a lesser amount (500-2 million).
As someone in graduate school in a healthcare profession with preliminary job offers near 80k. I would be willing and expect others in that class to also pay a small to decent amount in.

Let's remember that Nationalized health care would reduce administrative and third party costs greatly. All Nationalized systems pay less per capita than the US does. The only people who oppose it are older medical professionals who don't want their salaries (who average 25-100% more than the developed world) touched and Reaganites who scream socialism without grasping basic english. In fact, even the AMA is now fighting a coup by younger members at their conventions to endorse a national system. The American Public Health Association has endorsed it since the 1940s.

As far as college goes, I paid for each of my stages through merit scholarships. I will graduate with my masters with 0 debt. I, of all persons should be against free college then right? Wrong. I got very lucky with what opportunities were afforded to me and if I missed a few questions here or there, my scholarships might have been gutted and I may be like a lot of my other colleagues with 40k or more in debt. My parents took the time when I was little to instill education in me, I know a lot of others weren't given that and I am more than willing to promote that all be entitled to that.

Remember that free college also included tech skills that are dearly needed. Too many times I see people complaining about basket weaving or some other anomaly that people point out to try and make a point that it will be wasted which is far and away an extremely exception.

Long winded but hopefully you can find some common ground in that.
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We are on polar opposites of the spectrum with each of the topics you just commented on.

1. You cannot punish success and expect people to continue to strive for it. Why should you be punished through higher taxes simply because you put the work in, sacrificed and earned the money you will be making?

2. Nationalizing our heathcare will decrease quality and like in other countries will lead to 2 separate systems. One for those who can afford to pay and the other for those who can't. Care to guess where the best and brightest medical professionals will go?

3. Free college for all would cut the value of the degrees you just worked your azz off for by 1/2 or more. You would be devaluing a college degree to that of a current HS diploma.

4. Tech skills need to be taught in HS. No kid leaving HS should be unemployable the day after graduation.
 
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hog88 said:
Here! Here! You need to help spread her message and convince more people with her views to run for office.
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Careful what you wish for. You don't want the inevitable to outpace your ability cope. Trump was your last speed bump and that served to ultimately only accelerate the process.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Wow, so you go straight for the throat and just penalize anyone that (has or makes?) over $2 million and force them to pay more. You don't think everybody should be involved in the funding of this. So why not $1 million? $500K? 250K? At some point, by putting a hard number like that on it, just like the AMT, you will get more and more people in your little confiscation. A wealth tax is an anethma to everything this country stands for.


Let me ask you this: What is your degree? What do you think will happen if all of a sudden there were 2, 3, 4 times the number of degree holders that you have now? Will your wages remain the same? You think that if there are more degree holders that you will be able to command the same kind of pricing power for your services?

And I think you are on drugs if you thing a government run health care system will reduce administrative costs. There will be buildings built to house the healthcare paperwork administration. At least there will be temporary construction jobs.

If you think it is expensive now, wait until it's free.

I hope we have this discussion after you leave academia and actually start having your money taken out of every paycheck. And don't even pretend that you will feel good about it.
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Umm, yes if you are rich than you should absolutely pay more. And I don't know where you got that I only wanted them to pay for it. I explicitly said that nearly everyone should pay for it, including myself.

My degree is a dual concentration MPH Healthcare Management and Epidemiology

Want to guess which country doesn't have Nationalized Healthcare and which country also pays the most in administrative costs. Take a wild guess!
 
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zaqhhh said:
I have to say as a economically left winger (social moderate), I was worried at first that AOC would be too focused on identity issues.

I'm fully behind her now though, one month ago, I'd have said she could never be a mainstream contender. Now, I have seen many of my Republican friends get behind her even (granted I'm at a college campus so the Republicans aren't the Insane Climate denying/Slavery light people).

I think I like many others though that the right wing media would attack her relentlessly and define her essentially. She has not only fought back but also showed the hypocrisy of so many in the conservative establishment. I'm sick and tired of apologetic, moderate DINOs. AOC is definitely part of the Democratic future.
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So you’re unemployed on welfare?
 
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zaqhhh said:
Umm, are you kidding me? You are getting the weather and climate mixed up which is like 1st grade science.

Many records have been shattered, some have not. Just because the global temperature rises, doesn't mean that it is uniform or comprehensive.

Are the 98% of scientists trying to fool you for their own personal profit?!?
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Many are (remember they are working for a living also) but more-so it's the propagandists that tout the false number of 98%. They are the ones really trying to fool you.
 
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zaqhhh said:
No, I'm not saying it rises and falls. What I am saying is that just because climate patterns are altered doesn't mean it is always hotter. Many will get hotter, some may get colder, extreme weather will increase regardless. Global temperatures have hit records like 16 of the past 17 years.

Now if you are referring to certain events like the Earth has gone through both Ice Ages and times of extreme heat but they didn't occur anywhere near as rapid (barring asteroid collisions etc).
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You just explained phases. Lol
 
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