Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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GBO. Looks like they found their swagger again today. Admiral out the funk hopefully for good.

Saturday night. Just drank a beer. Time to go have myself a time on the town.

Later VN remember were #1 and if you're not first your last.

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BruinVol said:
They never could before 2015 either.
Players have always been able to challenge if a coach doesn't renew their scholarships.
They just never do but its why coaches keep such good records of any little thing players do wrong just in case they are challenged with an appeal to keep scholarship.
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Uhh they sure could. There was a big debate about it in 2015 when the p5s passed the legislation for guaranteed multiyear scholarships. In fact, prior to that, the bylaws had abolutely nothing to say what could be a reason to not renew a scholarship. They just notified the student before July that it would not be renewed.

This is applying to most scholarships of the past. A few studs may have been given 4 year scholarships out of the gate, but most are 1 year renewables. During the renewal period, it was at the school's discretion to renew or not. The idea of a "4 year full ride" scholarship is largely a myth.

Not to say many coaches went this route on any kids outside of the ones no one would ever notice. Better PR routes to go of pushing kids to transfer or take a medical retirement, the 2 semi-sketchy methods still most widely used to cut kids off the 85 limit.
 
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Devo182 said:
Uhh they sure could. There was a big debate about it in 2015 when the p5s passed the legislation for guaranteed multiyear scholarships. In fact, prior to that, the bylaws had abolutely nothing to say what could be a reason to not renew a scholarship. They just notified the student before June that it would not be renewed.
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Sorry but you are wrong. Yes the rule changed that allowed schools to write NLIs for 4 years but even then the procedure for letting kids go at years end didn't change. It's always been that a player couldn't lose his $ for poor play ONLY. The issue is schools/coaches could always use missed classes, late for meetings-workouts-practices, poor attitude Amongst other things to win Any appeal a player might make. even a model student-athlete could be made look bad if need be to pull a scholly
 
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chargervol said:
Nothing.
You got autocorrected to "on your behave" instead of "behalf". So they were just playing around with funny gifs.
We knew what you meant. I flat out typo'd 3 words wrong in my responses and that was just the ones I caught lol.
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Oh OK I am an expert on misspelling. Sorry to my pal Invol I thought I just said something wrong and just wasn't sure what it might have been
 
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One of you expert thread creators look into Enzo Jennings. Class of '20 ATH out of Oak Park in Michigan. Same HS as Justin Rogers. Looked through a few pages and didn't see one. Pretty sure he has some interest.
 
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Devo182 said:
Uhh they sure could. There was a big debate about it in 2015 when the p5s passed the legislation for guaranteed multiyear scholarships. In fact, prior to that, the bylaws had abolutely nothing to say what could be a reason to not renew a scholarship. They just notified the student before July that it would not be renewed.

This is applying to most scholarships of the past. A few studs may have been given 4 year scholarships out of the gate, but most are 1 year renewables. During the renewal period, it was at the school's discretion to renew or not. The idea of a "4 year full ride" scholarship is largely a myth.

Not to say many coaches went this route on any kids outside of the ones no one would ever notice. Better PR routes to go of pushing kids to transfer or take a medical retirement, the 2 semi-sketchy methods still most widely used to cut kids off the 85 limit.
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BruinVol said:
Sorry but you are wrong. Yes the rule changed that allowed schools to write NLIs for 4 years but even then the procedure for letting kids go at years end didn't change. It's always been that a player couldn't lose his $ for poor play ONLY. The issue is schools/coaches could always use missed classes, late for meetings-workouts-practices, poor attitude Amongst other things to win Any appeal a player might make. even a model student-athlete could be made look bad if need be to pull a scholly
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Scholarships are given yearly, end of story. Rarely does a school “pull” a scholarship, but they can.
 
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JacketVol said:
Not really. Some who don’t like him and don’t have buy in and he’s wanting them to leave.
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I obviously don't have inside info and I don't doubt that there are a few he wouldn't mind leaving. Just giving my opinion based on that lack of transferring and how he seems to be trying to convince them to stay. Or at least letting them know it's an option. Like anything though, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle between yer take and mine.
 
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Devo182 said:
Asked a question about PWOs earlier.

We are very good. And have an entire forum to talk about it in.
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This is what we do offseason...If you don't like it, then you can go back to the FF....OR...you could just let it go, lay back and go with the flow, I hate soccer, but I don't bitch at guys for talking about it for the next 7 months.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
He flips a quarter flat on the table up into a whiskey glass sitting on the rail.
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Coin is on the rail too, it appears

I’ve never attempted this so no point of reference to be super impressed I guess

I just drooped some coins into our coin jar, threw my wallet on the table and the family just looked at me
 
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BruinVol said:
Sorry but you are wrong. Yes the rule changed that allowed schools to write NLIs for 4 years but even then the procedure for letting kids go at years end didn't change. It's always been that a player couldn't lose his $ for poor play ONLY. The issue is schools/coaches could always use missed classes, late for meetings-workouts-practices, poor attitude Amongst other things to win Any appeal a player might make. even a model student-athlete could be made look bad if need be to pull a scholly
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Wrong again. First of all, nobody signs an NLI for 4 years lol. Woof...now that you've proven your level if knowledge...

Maybe you are thinking of the 2012 ruling once again allowing multiyear svolarships in 2012:

Schools can give out 4-year athletic scholarships, but many don't

"Meanwhile, there’s an active lawsuit nearing the class certification stage that in part seeks damages for Division I football players who were impacted by the NCAA rule banning multiyear scholarships from 1973 to 2012."

But this is about being able to not renew scholarships. 15.3.5 clearly had no rules in 2014. 2015 autonomous legislation changed that. Seems you are unaware of the changes.

bylaws:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/s-13-Manuals.aspx

How Much Will Scholarship Guarantees Really Change College Football?
 
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BruinVol said:
Sorry but you are wrong. Yes the rule changed that allowed schools to write NLIs for 4 years but even then the procedure for letting kids go at years end didn't change. It's always been that a player couldn't lose his $ for poor play ONLY. The issue is schools/coaches could always use missed classes, late for meetings-workouts-practices, poor attitude Amongst other things to win Any appeal a player might make. even a model student-athlete could be made look bad if need be to pull a scholly
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From the NCAA itself:

"MULTI-YEAR SCHOLARSHIP REFORMS – 2015

The Autonomy Five conferences voted to guarantee that athletic scholarships cannot be canceled for poor athletics performance."

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018DIAut_FourYearsofHelpforStudent-Athletes_20170118.pdf

Procedures 100% changed. You may notice 15.3.5.1 COMPLETELY changed. Of course, I'm sure you are familiar with this change.

Simply put, read the bylaws if you want straight facts. You will find no restrictions pre 2015. Afterward you will find restrictions for autonomous conferences. You will know their legislation for an "[A]" after the bylaw. But I'm sure you already know that since you know the rules so well lol.
 
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