TrumPutinGate

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luthervol said:
Our definitions of "nothing" are obviously different.
We can only let it to continue to play out, consider the findings of the investigation, and go from there.
I have confidence in the process. If you do not, maybe that is a sign which you are refusing to see.
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And at the end and there's still nothing then what?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I will trust whatever is in the Mueller report. Will you? No, you will attack Mueller for supposedly being a political partisan (even though he is a Republican).
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Lets back up. You will trust what it says? So if no collusion that's great. Trump has been smeared for 2+ years. And the investigation will push 30 Million. Your fine with your tax money going towards a smear campaign but not a wall?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Lets back up. You will trust what it says? So if no collusion that's great. Trump has been smeared for 2+ years. And the investigation will push 30 Million. Your fine with your tax money going towards a smear campaign but not a wall?
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We’re fine with tax money going towards finding out who helped the Russians influence our presidential election. They’ve already found people who were involved. If Dementia Donald is one of them, that’s his problem.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Lets back up. You will trust what it says? So if no collusion that's great. Trump has been smeared for 2+ years. And the investigation will push 30 Million. Your fine with your tax money going towards a smear campaign but not a wall?
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You will trust what it says? Yes

Trump has been smeared for 2+ years. I don't believe Mueller or anyone from his team has publicly commented on the investigation, so this is false.

Your fine with your tax money going towards a smear campaign but not a wall? The Manafort forfeitures have paid for the investigation
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Lets back up. You will trust what it says? So if no collusion that's great. Trump has been smeared for 2+ years. And the investigation will push 30 Million. Your fine with your tax money going towards a smear campaign but not a wall?
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I will answer one at a time... If Mueller concludes that there was no collusion or any wrongdoing at all on the part of Donald Trump? Yes, I will accept that (believe what you want, it's true). I'm not fine with any waste of money, but even as it stands now, this investigation has netted felony convictions of 4 people affiliated with the Trump campaign (Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos). That's not exactly fruitless.
 
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The end justifies the means is not a valid rationalization for wrongly creating a trumped up dossier to half ass provide a basis for a FISA warrant against a US citizen(s). Period.
 
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evillawyer said:
You will trust what it says? Yes

Trump has been smeared for 2+ years. I don't believe Mueller or anyone from his team has publicly commented on the investigation, so this is false.

Your fine with your tax money going towards a smear campaign but not a wall? The Manafort forfeitures have paid for the investigation
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They don't have to comment for it to smear him.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
They don't have to comment for it to smear him.
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If it is concluded that Trump did nothing illicit, Trump should still be held accountable for the people who he hired to work his campaign. He is not a victim here. He should not have hired Paul Manafort as his campaign manager. Ultimately, it's decisions such as that, which have caused him so much grief. The company you keep says a lot about the person you are.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If it is concluded that Trump did nothing illicit, Trump should still be held accountable for the people who he hired to work his campaign. He is not a victim here. He should not have hired Paul Manafort as his campaign manager. Ultimately, it's decisions such as that, which have caused him so much grief. The company you keep says a lot about the person you are.
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Lol. So if you hire someone and they commit a crime you should be held responsible and accountable for their actions?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Lol. So if you hire someone and they commit a crime you should be held responsible and accountable for their actions?
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Not accountable for their actions... but accountable for making such a bad hire? Absolutely. Trump knew who Manafort was. The same was true with Michael Flynn. He had many red flags about them both... and hired them anyway.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
And at the end and there's still nothing then what?
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I've said all along that I will accept the findings if the investigation is allowed to proceed freely to it's natural conclusion.
In all honesty, I hope he is proven guilty of something that warrants his removal from office, but if he is or isn't will never change the fact that he is a despicable person and an embarrassment to the nation.
The possible outcomes are:
1. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did more good than bad for this country and the world.
2. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did about as much good as bad for this country and the world.
3. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did more bad than good for this country and the world.
4. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did far more bad than good for this country and the world.

There is an obvious constant and whether or not he is forced out of office doesn't change that much.

My hope is that he does not end up with # 4, but I fear that he will. A solid 3 is about as high as my hopes go.
 
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luthervol said:
I've said all along that I will accept the findings if the investigation is allowed to proceed freely to it's natural conclusion.
In all honesty, I hope he is proven guilty of something that warrants his removal from office, but if he is or isn't will never change the fact that he is a despicable person and an embarrassment to the nation.
The possible outcomes are:
1. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did more good than bad for this country and the world.
2. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did about as much good as bad for this country and the world.
3. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did more bad than good for this country and the world.
4. Trump is a despicable embarrassment that ultimately did far more bad than good for this country and the world.

There is an obvious constant and whether or not he is forced out of office doesn't change that much.

My hope is that he does end up with # 4, but I fear that he will. A solid 3 is about as high as my hopes go.
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Obama embarrassed the USA at every turn so that's nothing new. IDGAF qbout the world. What I do care about is the stock market, unemployment, safety in this country, strong military, and making us great again.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I will answer one at a time... If Mueller concludes that there was no collusion or any wrongdoing at all on the part of Donald Trump? Yes, I will accept that (believe what you want, it's true). I'm not fine with any waste of money, but even as it stands now, this investigation has netted felony convictions of 4 people affiliated with the Trump campaign (Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos). That's not exactly fruitless.
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They didn't give a whole lot of time to Papadop for a felony. Any of the others been executed yet for their part in these serious crimes, committed in the name of the Trump campaign?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Obama embarrassed the USA at every turn so that's nothing new. IDGAF qbout the world. What I do care about is the stock market, unemployment, safety in this country, strong military, and making us great again.
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I was going to fix that big thumb little keyboard misspelled (*about) above but I thought I should leave it alone. Looks good with a Q for an A.
 
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1972 Grad said:
They didn't give a whole lot of time to Papadop for a felony. Any of the others been executed yet for their part in these serious crimes, committed in the name of the Trump campaign?
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That's an interesting choice of words. As the Judge in Michael Flynn's case made it very clear that he considered Flynn's crimes to indeed be "very serious". The sentencing was delayed... but it sure doesn't sound like he is going to walk away with nothing.
 
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Cohen testifying is a brilliant move.

One, it dodges Trump's effort to bury the Mueller report by putting so much out there that the American people will not stand for Trump's obstructionist efforts.

Two, Cohen may say enough on his own that Trump is forced to resign.

Three, it is likely that he will say enough that Republicans in Congress will start to peel away from supporting him, as they did with Nixon.

I do think Trump will try to block it. That alone may be his undoing.
 
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I mean here's how I see it. No Clinton voter in this Nation seen Trump winning. All the CNBC, CNN etc. Polls had Clinton winning huge. We all know those to be fake or one sided polling. Everybody on that side is so butthurt all these allegations and collusion stories start flying.


Great timeline(starts in 2011) of the collusion BS below. Just bringing a snippet over, to long to post all of it but great read.

Anti-Russian Ukrainians allegedly helped coordinate and execute a campaign against Trump in partnership with the Democratic National Committee and news reporters.

A Yemen-born ex-British spy reportedly delivered political opposition research against Trump to reporters, Sen. John McCain, and the FBI; the latter of which used the material–in part–to obtain wiretaps against one or more Trump-related associates.

There were orchestrated leaks of anti-Trump information and allegations to the press, including by ex-FBI Director James Comey.

The U.S. intel community allegedly engaged in questionable surveillance practices and politially-motivated “unmaskings” of U.S. citizens, including Trump officials.

Alleged conflicts of interests have surfaced regarding FBI officials who cleared Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information and who investigated Trump’s alleged Russia ties.


“Collusion against Trump” timeline | Sharyl Attkisson
 
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lawgator1 said:
Cohen testifying is a brilliant move.

One, it dodges Trump's effort to bury the Mueller report by putting so much out there that the American people will not stand for Trump's obstructionist efforts.

Two, Cohen may say enough on his own that Trump is forced to resign.

Three, it is likely that he will say enough that Republicans in Congress will start to peel away from supporting him, as they did with Nixon.

I do think Trump will try to block it. That alone may be his undoing.
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Two and Three are wishful thinking... but there is nothing that Trump can do to keep Cohen from testifying before Congress. House Democrats have subpoena power and will use it if they have to. As far as One goes, THAT is why this is a big deal... Cohen is capable of revealing enough dirt, that even Republicans will insist that the complete Mueller report be made public. There will be too much demand to read it - in it's entirety.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If it is concluded that Trump did nothing illicit, Trump should still be held accountable for the people who he hired to work his campaign. He is not a victim here. He should not have hired Paul Manafort as his campaign manager. Ultimately, it's decisions such as that, which have caused him so much grief. The company you keep says a lot about the person you are.
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None of the company he has kept have suicided themselves. . . yet.
Talk about company, these members of the Clinton administration gave scandal a dirty name, Sandy Berger, LOL, the pants and socks stuffer, Webster Hubbell, Henry Cisneros, Mike Espy, Ron Brown, Bernard Naussbaum, Patsy Thomasson, Roger Altman, Jean Hanson, etc. Then outside the administration associates like The McDougals, Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Norman Hsu, Marc Rich, Jeffrey Epstein, John Huang, etc.

Trump still has a long way to go to catch up with the Clintons.
 
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