Tee Martin & Will Friend Co-OC?

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k-town_king said:
Tee has a better resume than 99% of OCs available.


If it's on staff it should be Osovet.

Stop using a job saving demotion against him. Their defense was the problem.

His team scored 35 in a loss with two backup qbs playing for him. They had almost 300 yards passing 3 tds and no ints that game but gave up 38.

Four of their five highest scoring games last year Tee was OC. Helton was trying to save his own butt. Tee did well at USC.

He has a better resume than Friend, Lebby, Enos who Saban hired, and a ton more.
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USC in 2017 was the number 1 offense in the PAC 12. They put up 6777 total yards, 484 YPG, 299 PYG, and 185 RYG, and 32.6 PPG.

Now that was with Co-OCs Tee Martin and Tyson Helton.

USC in 2018, Tee's lone year as OC, dropped to 11th, that's a huge damn drop. 4591 total yards, 344 YPG, 249 PYG, and 133 RYG, 26.1 PPG. There is nothing about those stats that say Tee Martin has a better resume than 99% of OCs available.

But just for argument sake.

Friend as OC

2015, Ranked 3 in offense in Mountain West, 5536 total yards, 426 YPG, 228 PYG, 197 RYG, 29.6 PPG
2016, Ranked 3 in offence, 6012, total yards, 434 YPG, 229, PYG, 204 RYG, 35.9 PPG,
2017, Ranked 1 in offense, 6402 total yards, 492 YPG, 292 PYG, 200 RYG, 33.4

So already we can see his offense continued to improve, and because I know the whole "Well Bobo called all the plays" argument will come out. This year Colorado Stated dropped to 7 ranked offense, 4926 total yards, 411 YPG, 304 PYG, 105 RYG, and 22.8 PPG. They dropped hard.

Jeff Lebby as OC

2018, Ranked 2 in offense in AAC, 6795 total yards, 523 YPG, 257 PYG, 265 RYPG, 43.2 PPG. Not bad for a first year OC in a D1 school compared to last years stats, they didn't drop much overall and actually improved their running attack, all in all they didn't skip a bit, which is good considering he was a first time OC at a D1 program.

2017 UCF, 6896 total yards, 530 YPG, 331 PYG, 198 RYG, 48.2 PPG

Dan Enos as OC at Arkansas, his most recent stop as OC

2015, Ranked 3 in offense in SEC, 6051 total yards, 465 YPG, 268 PYG, 197 RYG, 35.9 PPG
2016, Ranked 8 in offense in SEC, 5569 total yards, 428 YPG, 264 PYG, 164 RYG, 30.3 PPG
2017, Ranked 10 in offense in SEC, 4481 total yards, 373 YPG, 205 PYG, 168 RYG, 28.8 PPG

His offense regressed all three years, but never once did his offense drop more than 5 spots in total offense. Even in his worst offensive year he was still better than Tee in three offense categories, Yards per game, Rushing yards per game and points per game.

So.........of the four, Tee is the worst. This is facts. Tee Martin does not have a better resume than these three guys, let alone 99% of available OCs out there. If anything this shows that Tee is no where near ready to be an OC at a big time school.
 
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I wish someone within the UT Administration would put a muzzle on him and keep him quiet.
 
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Pruitt is no dummy and knows how performance affects his tenure. Hires are critical that can lead to wins and losses. Recruiting players is vastly more important. Keep the faith Vol fans.
 
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NO, Tee said that he would not come back to Tennessee as anything less than head coach and we should respect that and not ever expect to see him as a coach at Tennessee.

His arrogance should leave him wandering in the wilderness from here on out as far as we are concerned, as Butch just might have hired him as OC and he could have had his chance to slide into the head coaching position last year. Not a smart move on his part whatsoever.
 
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I have a great idea. UT create an app for our phones with the playbook on it and all of us get to pick which play we want the offense to run. The play with the most selections wins. Hey, I scored 70 on Bama with NCAA 12 with my team wearing orange pants. It's got to be easy. Right?
 
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chargervol said:
In response to people saying Tee was a horrible play caller.
I mentioned nothing about who the actual OC would be only that Tee as co OC isn't an issue.
Anything on my "excited" comment, yet?
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Jesus, calm down Francis. Either way the whole thing sucks a$$
 
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zydane47 said:
USC in 2017 was the number 1 offense in the PAC 12. They put up 6777 total yards, 484 YPG, 299 PYG, and 185 RYG, and 32.6 PPG.

Now that was with Co-OCs Tee Martin and Tyson Helton.

USC in 2018, Tee's lone year as OC, dropped to 11th, that's a huge damn drop. 4591 total yards, 344 YPG, 249 PYG, and 133 RYG, 26.1 PPG. There is nothing about those stats that say Tee Martin has a better resume than 99% of OCs available.

But just for argument sake.

Friend as OC

2015, Ranked 3 in offense in Mountain West, 5536 total yards, 426 YPG, 228 PYG, 197 RYG, 29.6 PPG
2016, Ranked 3 in offence, 6012, total yards, 434 YPG, 229, PYG, 204 RYG, 35.9 PPG,
2017, Ranked 1 in offense, 6402 total yards, 492 YPG, 292 PYG, 200 RYG, 33.4

So already we can see his offense continued to improve, and because I know the whole "Well Bobo called all the plays" argument will come out. This year Colorado Stated dropped to 7 ranked offense, 4926 total yards, 411 YPG, 304 PYG, 105 RYG, and 22.8 PPG. They dropped hard.

Jeff Lebby as OC

2018, Ranked 2 in offense in AAC, 6795 total yards, 523 YPG, 257 PYG, 265 RYPG, 43.2 PPG. Not bad for a first year OC in a D1 school compared to last years stats, they didn't drop much overall and actually improved their running attack, all in all they didn't skip a bit, which is good considering he was a first time OC at a D1 program.

2017 UCF, 6896 total yards, 530 YPG, 331 PYG, 198 RYG, 48.2 PPG

Dan Enos as OC at Arkansas, his most recent stop as OC

2015, Ranked 3 in offense in SEC, 6051 total yards, 465 YPG, 268 PYG, 197 RYG, 35.9 PPG
2016, Ranked 8 in offense in SEC, 5569 total yards, 428 YPG, 264 PYG, 164 RYG, 30.3 PPG
2017, Ranked 10 in offense in SEC, 4481 total yards, 373 YPG, 205 PYG, 168 RYG, 28.8 PPG

His offense regressed all three years, but never once did his offense drop more than 5 spots in total offense. Even in his worst offensive year he was still better than Tee in three offense categories, Yards per game, Rushing yards per game and points per game.

So.........of the four, Tee is the worst. This is facts. Tee Martin does not have a better resume than these three guys, let alone 99% of available OCs out there. If anything this shows that Tee is no where near ready to be an OC at a big time school.
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Started off with a lie so the rest is invalid. Still wrong but invalid anyway.

TEE AND HELTON WERE NOT CO-OCS. STOP LYING. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BY ALL THE COACHES INVOLVED.

TEE CALLED ALL THE PLAYS AND SET THE GAME PLAN. HELTON WAS A GOOD ASSISTANT THAT OFFERED IDEAS WHEN TEE WANTED.

TEE HAD THE SAME DUTIES WHEN HE WAS PGC/WR COACH AND CLAY WAS OC. I GUESS HE GETS CO-OC CREDIT FOR THAT TOO HUH?

THOSE GOOD NUMBERS ARE ALL TEE. UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE CO-OC IS ON ANY COACHING ROSTER OR RESUME. THOSE NUMBERS ARE BETTER THAN ENOS. THE ONLY ONE WHO CALLED PLAYS.

We saw what Helton did last year when calling plays. The most predictable and slow offense in years.

That is unless you want to apply the same standards that you use for Tee. In that case Helton was Co-OC with Friend last year. It sounds like he had more control here than Helton had at USC with Tee.

I guess you hold last year against Friend as a shadow CO-OC.

Friend and Lebby have NEVER CALLED PLAYS.

Enos numbers are worse than Tee's. Dropped every year and then he got fired with one of the most boring offenses the SEC has seen.


So he has a better resume than all three. You can lie all you want. The numbers don't.
 
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k-town_king said:
Larry Scott? Weird comparison. Nothing similar about their resumes or results as OC. They have literally nothing in common when it comes to coaching.

One had several top ranked Os and got a qb drafted first round and a ton of wrs.

One had one bad year of play calling.

Weird for you to compare the two.
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The several top ranked Os are not thanks to Tee Martin. The play calling and OC duties were even more diluted when our former OC was there. Look at what Tee's responsibilities were prior to last year.
 
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NCVOL327 said:
Pruitt is no dummy and knows how performance affects his tenure. Hires are critical that can lead to wins and losses. Recruiting players is vastly more important. Keep the faith Vol fans.
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How do we know Pruitt is “no dummy?”
 
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k-town_king said:
Started off with a lie so the rest is invalid. Still wrong but invalid anyway.

TEE AND HELTON WERE NOT CO-OCS. STOP LYING. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BY ALL THE COACHES INVOLVED.

TEE CALLED ALL THE PLAYS AND SET THE GAME PLAN. HELTON WAS A GOOD ASSISTANT THAT OFFERED IDEAS WHEN TEE WANTED.

TEE HAD THE SAME DUTIES WHEN HE WAS PGC/WR COACH AND CLAY WAS OC. I GUESS HE GETS CO-OC CREDIT FOR THAT TOO HUH?

THOSE GOOD NUMBERS ARE ALL TEE. UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE CO-OC IS ON ANY COACHING ROSTER OR RESUME. THOSE NUMBERS ARE BETTER THAN ENOS. THE ONLY ONE WHO CALLED PLAYS.

We saw what Helton did last year when calling plays. The most predictable and slow offense in years.

That is unless you want to apply the same standards that you use for Tee. In that case Helton was Co-OC with Friend last year. It sounds like he had more control here than Helton had at USC with Tee.

I guess you hold last year against Friend as a shadow CO-OC.

Friend and Lebby have NEVER CALLED PLAYS.

Enos numbers are worse than Tee's. Dropped every year and then he got fired with one of the most boring offenses the SEC has seen.


So he has a better resume than all three. You can lie all you want. The numbers don't.
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Thank you!!!
 
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#65
This would effectively end Pruitt's tenure but other than that it would be a great idea. Two quarters don't make a dollar.
 
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k-town_king said:
Started off with a lie so the rest is invalid. Still wrong but invalid anyway.

TEE AND HELTON WERE NOT CO-OCS. STOP LYING. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BY ALL THE COACHES INVOLVED.

TEE CALLED ALL THE PLAYS AND SET THE GAME PLAN. HELTON WAS A GOOD ASSISTANT THAT OFFERED IDEAS WHEN TEE WANTED.

TEE HAD THE SAME DUTIES WHEN HE WAS PGC/WR COACH AND CLAY WAS OC. I GUESS HE GETS CO-OC CREDIT FOR THAT TOO HUH?

THOSE GOOD NUMBERS ARE ALL TEE. UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE CO-OC IS ON ANY COACHING ROSTER OR RESUME. THOSE NUMBERS ARE BETTER THAN ENOS. THE ONLY ONE WHO CALLED PLAYS.

We saw what Helton did last year when calling plays. The most predictable and slow offense in years.

That is unless you want to apply the same standards that you use for Tee. In that case Helton was Co-OC with Friend last year. It sounds like he had more control here than Helton had at USC with Tee.

I guess you hold last year against Friend as a shadow CO-OC.

Friend and Lebby have NEVER CALLED PLAYS.

Enos numbers are worse than Tee's. Dropped every year and then he got fired with one of the most boring offenses the SEC has seen.


So he has a better resume than all three. You can lie all you want. The numbers don't.
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We get it, you are a Tee Martin fan(atic). If your scenario is true, then please explain the dramatic drop off in production this year after Tyson Helton left the program to coach here. If Tee was the one responsible for all the duties you outlined both years, why did his offense perform so badly in 2018? Why were the USC fans calling for his head halfway through the season? Please limit your response to normal case letters please, my monitor has sensitive pixels.
 
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Pride85 said:
The several top ranked Os are not thanks to Tee Martin. The play calling and OC duties were even more diluted when our former OC was there. Look at what Tee's responsibilities were prior to last year.
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He called all the plays and made the gameplans. Others gave suggestions when he wanted their opinions.

When he was pgc he gave play ideas too. That happens everywhere.

For some reason people only want to consider Tee as a fake or CO-OC when he is in a common arrangement for teams.

So o guess he was Co-OC with Clay and Friend was Co-OC with Helton last year.
 
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k-town_king said:
Started off with a lie so the rest is invalid. Still wrong but invalid anyway.

TEE AND HELTON WERE NOT CO-OCS. STOP LYING. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BY ALL THE COACHES INVOLVED.

TEE CALLED ALL THE PLAYS AND SET THE GAME PLAN. HELTON WAS A GOOD ASSISTANT THAT OFFERED IDEAS WHEN TEE WANTED.

TEE HAD THE SAME DUTIES WHEN HE WAS PGC/WR COACH AND CLAY WAS OC. I GUESS HE GETS CO-OC CREDIT FOR THAT TOO HUH?

THOSE GOOD NUMBERS ARE ALL TEE. UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE CO-OC IS ON ANY COACHING ROSTER OR RESUME. THOSE NUMBERS ARE BETTER THAN ENOS. THE ONLY ONE WHO CALLED PLAYS.

We saw what Helton did last year when calling plays. The most predictable and slow offense in years.

That is unless you want to apply the same standards that you use for Tee. In that case Helton was Co-OC with Friend last year. It sounds like he had more control here than Helton had at USC with Tee.

I guess you hold last year against Friend as a shadow CO-OC.

Friend and Lebby have NEVER CALLED PLAYS.

Enos numbers are worse than Tee's. Dropped every year and then he got fired with one of the most boring offenses the SEC has seen.


So he has a better resume than all three. You can lie all you want. The numbers don't.
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So you can prove everything you've said? If Friend didn't call plays for Colorado State then I guess Bobo just magically forgot how to call plays this year? You also know for a fact that Lebby didn't call plays? Your one lone year that we know Tee was his own OC, USC sucked and they sucked hard. You can't argue that, the stats are laid out in front of you.

You're also ignoring the fact that Enos in three years never had an offense drop as hard as Tee's two, I'll give you those two because you claim Tee was the only OC, either way he had a huge drop off in terms of production. So we are going to say that Clay Helton was actually the one calling plays this year and not Tee? Will that be your next excuse? Cause you can't have it both ways. Either Tee was the lone OC when they were producing and then when they weren't. Or he wasn't the lone OC when they were producing.

You seem to flip flop on what you want the stats to mean. In one sentence you say all the good numbers were all Tee, but in a previous post you claim CHelton was just firing Tee to save his own job. Well if Tee was so great then an off year shouldn't matter right? Unless of course Tee wasn't the one calling the plays during the good year.

Here is what we know for a fact, this year alone proved Tee Martin as an OC proved wasn't very good. He called the plays, he failed to get them to produce, he gets the blame. The stats show this, unless the NCAA is lying as well. He's not better than Friend, or Lebby, or Enos. As you put it in your last sentance there, the numbers don't lie.
 
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k-town_king said:
He called all the plays and made the gameplans. Others gave suggestions when he wanted their opinions.

When he was pgc he gave play ideas too. That happens everywhere.

For some reason people only want to consider Tee as a fake or CO-OC when he is in a common arrangement for teams.

So o guess he was Co-OC with Clay and Friend was Co-OC with Helton last year.
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I think it's more of an indictment that Tee can't do it on his own, sure he game planned at USC but he had input from Tyson Helton. I know you're going to kick, scream and say that isn't true but the drop off from 17 to 18 is mind blowing even for losing Darnold. And the 1 difference is this is the first year Tee did it without a support staff, even in his first game after Tyson Helton ( Bowl Game 2017 ) they were terrible on offense with Sam Darnold.
 
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Pride85 said:
We get it, you are a Tee Martin fan(atic). If your scenario is true, then please explain the dramatic drop off in production this year after Tyson Helton left the program to coach here. If Tee was the one responsible for all the duties you outlined both years, why did his offense perform so badly in 2018? Why were the USC fans calling for his head halfway through the season? Please limit your response to normal case letters please, my monitor has sensitive pixels.
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He can't explain it. He can't even handle it when stats from other OCs that were in question are put in front of him and show that Tee can't compare stat wise to them. He'll kick and scream and call everyone a liar. I wouldn't expect a civil discussion from this guy.
 
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Pride85 said:
We get it, you are a Tee Martin fan(atic). If your scenario is true, then please explain the dramatic drop off in production this year after Tyson Helton left the program to coach here. If Tee was the one responsible for all the duties you outlined both years, why did his offense perform so badly in 2018? Why were the USC fans calling for his head halfway through the season? Please limit your response to normal case letters please, my monitor has sensitive pixels.
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The first round qb he developed got drafted? Duh.

A qb that skipped his Sr year of HS? That same qb getting hurt?

They also lost several other offensive players.

Plenty of simple answers.

Also people keep using the whole year numbers for last year.

The o got WORSE when he was demoted. 4 of the top 5 scoring games Tee was OC.

All the stats went down so it made his year look worse. Even though he wasnt OC for half the year.

If Tyson was responsible why did he had worse play calling than Larry Scott this year? We were the most predictable team in the nation this year.

Tee had better play calling than Tyson last year no question. So what happened when he came here that made his play calling ability magically disappear?

He even stated several times he gave Tee ideas when Tee wanted his input. He had no actual playcalling duties period.

So what happened to Helton's great play calling if he was responsible for Tee's success?
 
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lonelawyer said:
I have a great idea. UT create an app for our phones with the playbook on it and all of us get to pick which play we want the offense to run. The play with the most selections wins. Hey, I scored 70 on Bama with NCAA 12 with my team wearing orange pants. It's got to be easy. Right?
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Good idea.. Except we'd all be fighting each other in the stands like we do here if a play didn't execute... 😂
 
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